Tien Chi Conscription

[DLC]

damn annoying forum O_o should read top to bottom and not go backwards.

[Graeme Dice]

Originally posted by Norfleet:
The Tien Chi conscription ability is pretty much meaningless, since it works so rarely that you can't really build around it as a strategy. If the increase were far more noticeable, like a 30% chance of a +1 increase per order scale, this would actually become rather neat, and probably make them a good deal more attractive:

Not just a good deal, but incredibly more attractive. You could expect your province defense to increase every single turn in every province with order 3. That's a huge income boost.

[Zurai]

Gateway: Limit on province defense is 125. Found that out in a game with Caelum where I was just messing around with late game spells and had ~8k gold income per turn post upkeep.

[Norfleet]

Originally posted by Graeme Dice:
Not just a good deal, but incredibly more attractive. You could expect your province defense to increase every single turn in every province with order 3. That's a huge income boost.

That's sort of what I was getting at. As it stands, the current conscription, even with order-3, increases PD so rarely and weakly that it may as well be considered a random event rather than a national feature! Tien Chi's core national units are pretty weak as it stands, making the provincial defense conscription feature a more prominent part of the nation couldn't hurt at all.

[Graeme Dice]

Originally posted by Norfleet:
Tien Chi's core national units are pretty weak as it stands, making the provincial defense conscription feature a more prominent part of the nation couldn't hurt at all.

Are you aware of what kind of income boost having your PD increase by 1 in every province, every turn, would be? In your capital alone, that's a starting income of 25 gold, 35 by the time turn 10 rolls around. If you spend 50 gold to get your PD up to around 10, then it will pay for itself in about 4 turns, once your defense gets to 15-20 and starts to be very expensive. When you have 10 PD in 20-30 provinces, that's a 200-300 gold piece income per turn, that increases rather quickly into the 400-600 gold per turn range.

Conscription was never intended to be something that 'gave them a boost' but as a thematic flavor enhancer. Conscription should not be changed if the base units of TC are weak (Which they are), but rather the units of TC should be changed.

[Arryn]

Originally posted by Zen:
Conscription should not be changed if the base units of TC are weak (Which they are), but rather the units of TC should be changed.

The easiest, and IMO best, way to do this is to replace TC with the Ashikaga mod. The samurai are most assuredly not weak.