I suck with Pythium ... please help!

[Boron]

I think there is almost no counter for a timespan of 5-20 turns against caelum using 1-3 seraphs in a planned attack .
By the time caelum gets false horror you have your Sc pretender if you have one and perhaps 1-2 weak Scs .
Mages at that stage can't defeat them as well i think .

So you can't defend more than 2-3 provinces against that once caelum has false horrors .

It maybe that i still lack a bit of experience so if you see any counter which is not too costy then plz say .

[Mardagg]

Boron said:

It maybe that i still lack a bit of experience so if you see any counter which is not too costy then plz say .

Any mixture of flying troops,unbreakable troops and cheap Archers works well.You dont need many troops.
Some time ago I was up against Caelum ,using the False Horror strat,quite early in the game.
I played Abysia.
I had 2 Fiends of Darkness,an Apprentice and some indie archers(set on fire archers) in every important province.
he wasnt able to raid most of my lands because of this ,but I was able to raid his, using Horde from Hell.
Thats why I won the war.

[Cohen]

Hordes from Hell requires 30 Blood Slaves.
Some could trapeze costs 6-9 air gems.

And Imps are worst than False Horrors.

[Huzurdaddi]

Compared to other summons False Horrors is very powerful for it's cost.

The game would actually be richer without it. I don't say that about a lot of spells/items.

[Cohen]

There're already many issues on False Horror.
What we had to say we've already told.
Now it's up to IW if to make some change or not, but I hope the massive games that see Caelum excluded as choice is a clear signal of what this nation is strong, and how false horror, especially with quickness, is strong.

At least Pythium Theurgs can't trapeze by default, and only the Arch theurg can that are capitol only and costs a lot.

[Arryn]

Cohen said:
There're already many issues on False Horror.
What we had to say we've already told.

Alas, the fact that it's been said doesn't appear to deter you and your friends from incessantly saying it again and again every chance you get (and if you don't get a chance, you make up a new one). It's gotten very old and tiresome. Give it a rest. Please.

[Cohen]

Simply because I fight for my causes.

[Lex]

its funny, i'm playing Caelum in two games right now, and at every point I'm thinking of ways to counter what I'm doing in the games. Caelum+FalseHorror is in fact balanced with the rest of the game (which is why its still around). But its been balanced in a rock/paper/scissors way, which is why everyone's arguments are true. Caelum is overpowered against ALOT of things, but its defeated by enough things to make it a healthy part of Dom2.

Without things like the FH spam, you wouldn't have any reason to change your play style and respond to a unique threat. The one strategy-fits-all isn't the healthiest way to play long term, and that might explain the frustration of so many players (and its also the downfall of the FH spam, since it too tries to meet every battle the same way)

And I'm surprised alot of players will gladly spend tons of research and gems to equip and raise magic paths in a SC to further an offensive strategy. But some players aren't interested in putting the same game effort into their defense against a clear and well known threat.

[Mardagg]

Cohen said:
Hordes from Hell requires 30 Blood Slaves.
Some could trapeze costs 6-9 air gems.

And Imps are worst than False Horrors.

What do you want to say with this?

You compare Blood slaves with Air gems?
You compare a battlefield only spell with a summoning spell??

It wasnt my intention at all to compare those 2 spells,I just showed an example strat how to beat False Horror spam and how I beat Caelum in the end.
Those Imps had been very handy for conquering the multiple Watch Towers of my enemy.
Once you can counter the False Horror strat,an enemy who was completely relying on it,will have extreme difficulties.

False Horror is a strong spell,but not too strong imo.

[Cohen]

An Illusion coundn't kill.

Well against a F9 blessing you go for some horrors slowing Marignon guys and you kill via orb lightning.
However Caelum is more mobile than Marignon. So he can avoid your flagellants and paladins, that couldn't be everywhere and take all undefended province.

If you choose to advance in his land with an army he'll death rout it by surrounding it taking all provinces and sending in a little bigger expedition force.