errors in existing OOB's

[Listy]

14 is Lasser RF, in DosMBT

[JaM]

M48 were quite accurate, they were able to hit with 50% propability target at 1800-2000m,their rangefinder was good, but slow,max range was 4400m,M1 Abrams has maximum range 4000m...(firecontrol computer is limited to this value) that is why it has such a good value. FC is just 10, this compensate low tech of its FC system (in comparsion with Abrams)I made many tests and played many games against AI with US in 1950-70 era, and i must say that US tanks are modelled quite accurately.Soviet too, the only one thing i would change is that i rised rate of fire (+1 or 2)for all Brittish tanks, beccuse they used different ranging system, they preffered use 3 round system, witch was faster than US system (analog balistic computer and optical rangefinder).This advantage was shown in Indo-Pakistani wars, where Indian Centurions had no problems with Pakistani M47 and M48, as their crews has problems with too advanced FC system of US made tanks.
Rangefinder 14 was Laser RF in older SPMBT v2, when v3 comes out whole FC and RF system was reworked.Now 22 represents Laser Rangefinder.

[Backis]

Isn't issuing "M29 Inf Cbt Wpn" and "M25 20mm GL" from...

-Obat 12 USA
January 1 2006 (Unit 707 Ranger Squad)
January 1 2006 (Unit 428 Ranger Patrol)
January 1 2007 (Unit 383 Airmobile Squad)

...and especially...

-Obat 13 USMC
1 January 2005 (Unit 748 SEAL Pathfinders)
1 January 2005 (Unit 741 SEAL Team)

..lets say, a bit optimistic considering the status of the project?

The problem is compounded in that the units are ONLY available with M29/M25 after these dates, which atleast for the 1 Jan 2005 date is pure fantasy. SEAL's haven't been running around in Afghanistan and Iraq with any "M29 ICW".

That the Rangers or ANY unit would have gone fully or even partially "M29/M25" by 2006 is extremely doubtful if at all possible.

The XM/M29 OICW is by all extents dead. The KE-unit is now known as the XM/M8, the 20mm CE-unit is cancelled or at least indefinatley suspended from development.

What may become available out of the program is the M8 rifle/carbine/PDW and the 25mm (not 20mm) XM25 grenadier carbine, which has no KE-unit.

[Shadowcougar]

the XM-8 was fielded to replace the M-16/M-4 family of weapons due to flaws foung during OIF. The M-29 was never to be fielded before FY08. Is there a report out about the M-29?

[Backis]

Shadowcougar said:
the XM-8 was fielded to replace the M-16/M-4 family of weapons due to flaws foung during OIF. The M-29 was never to be fielded before FY08. Is there a report out about the M-29?

Was fielded? Must have missed that.

Its not even officially acknowledged it will be fielded yet.

http://www.armytimes.com/story.php?f...925-708424.php

Some more info here, although its on a Blog so I won't vouch for it. Haven't found a better source yet.

http://www.murdoconline.net/archives/002065.html

[Shadowcougar]

go to the below site. seems that Congress and the Senator from Colt is getting involved. Was introduces here (home of Fort Bragg and the then deployed 30th Brigade)as the newest and latest weapons to enter the Army.

The blog seems right as it states that 2 brigades were to get them this year.

Trying to make it the Stoner weapons system, again another weapon opposed by teh Senator from Colt.

The failure mentioned was low battery life I think.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XM-8

[Backis]

Wiki...

"Fielded" would imply its in operational service somewhere, which it is not.

Nothing in the Wiki contradicts that, or states that it is "fielded" as of now... at best it refers to that it was MEANT to be "fielded" in 2005, and that a "2005" JDW article (unspecific date so its kinda hard digging the article up...) stating that funds to acquire 10400 units in "2006" has been set aside...

The XM-8 still need to win the tender for that to happen.

What was "good" about the blog I linked to was that it quoted parts of the OICW Increment I tender document, not that it had interesting information regarding the OICW Increment 1 weapon system itself.

Here's a better source for the same text;
http://www.defensereview.com/modules...rticle&sid=706

I was hoping that the official procnet page would come alive and allow a direct link to the official document, but its as dead today as it was yesterday, so the document seems to have been removed from there

Still, I have no beef with the appearance of the M-8 within the dates used in the obat (2007-2010?). Allowing a year between procurement and field use is good practice since infrastructure and training needs to be built around the new system. Such an assumption is a reasonably credible prediction.

But the XM-29 and XM-25 being the standard weapon of certain units from 1 Jan of 2005... that would imply its been "fielded" as a standard issue weapon for 7 months already... That the OICW Increment-II system would be fielded before the OICW Increment-I is a bit unlikely wouldn't you say?

No sources I've come across state that the OICW Increment II or III is anywhere near entering service, quite the opposite. The XM-25 25mm GL may well be along the way, but its ammunition isn't ready to be produced yet AFAIK. The 20mm grenade system was deemed unviable, it was almost all fuze f e...

OICW Increment-I is basically the XM-8 family of weapons, perhaps in combination with some new NV gear derived from the Landwarrior project (parts of which have been field-trialed).

What has happened is that even this project is "delayed" since a tender has been put forth, and a "competition" between alternative systems will be held.

Even if the XM-8's win this, it will be another delay in "fielding" the system.

Unfortunately even the tender has been put on hold...


http://www2.eps.gov/spg/USA/USAMC/DA...SynopsisR.html

http://www.dod.mil/releases/2005/nr20050719-4101.html

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/....php#orison_mc

[Backis]

The saga continues;

http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/...0719-4101.html

[Shadowcougar]

It looks as if the Colt people are getting their way. If you can't compete you delay your comptition. Its the Stoner all over again.


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[JaM]

Found error in Slovak OOB: T-72M1 and DYNAS has AP rounds but their gun has 0 AP penetration...