Advice for Abysia against Niefelheim

PDF · #1 January 27th, 2007, 09:48 AM

Did you try burning them to the ground, with packs of Anathemants and Anointeds casting Fire Clouds, Falling Fires, Fireballs and so on ?
That with a solid Abysian inf screen could be effective, the Abysians don"t take damage from stray fireballs. As you're playing EA the Burning ones are very tough and hit hard enough to kill giants I think - but they're sooo costly they need some bless strategy to be worth their cost IMHO.

Sammual · #2 January 27th, 2007, 10:44 AM

As a hard core Niefelheim player I can tell you what hurts the most. Being hit in the pocket book. Don't try to fight him head to head. Use small armies to take his provinces, don't bother to defend them too well. As soon as he splits up his army try to hit one of his smaller armies with 2 or 3 of yours. Heavy on the fire magic, have you expensive mages retreat after casting the fire spells and wear them down. And above all else make shure he doesn't have 'Gift of Health' active. If he does then you are screwed. Extra giant HP and removal of afflictions will make his armies almost unstoppable.

Sammual

NTJedi · #3 January 27th, 2007, 07:42 PM

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Sammual said:
As a hard core Niefelheim player I can tell you what hurts the most. Being hit in the pocket book.

Sammual is correct... destroy his gold income.

Cor · #4 January 27th, 2007, 08:56 PM

Can you build some thugs or SC. A few heartfinderswords and eyesheilds might work nicely...

llamabeast · #5 January 27th, 2007, 09:16 PM

Thanks guys, lots of good ideas here. I've been doing some tests, and some of these strategies seem pretty effective - I won't comment which yet, because you never know who's reading! I'll get back with results when the time comes, if it does - there may be some hope of peace after all.

If anyone else has ideas please still say! Thanks!

llamabeast

Shovah32 · #6 January 27th, 2007, 10:11 PM

Also, if you take a fire9 pretender your pillars of fire from him should be able to insta-kill(or almost) even niefel giants(they are 34+ ap damage and only require f2, im not sure how to work out the final damage but its alot)

DrPraetorious · #7 January 27th, 2007, 10:49 PM

We can hardly give you good strategic advice if you don't tell us what you're planning, can we?

FWIW, I recommend that you send him all your gold and gems, and beg for mercy!

What you really need to do is boost your earth magic a bit - give your spellcasters earth gems if need be - and take my armor off with a destruction (or similar armor rusting spell.)

If you can do that, my giants are pretty much toast. Regen on non-armored units is fairly easy to overcome. Of course, this trick also works real well against you, but I don't have any earth mages yet.

Graeme Dice · #8 January 28th, 2007, 02:04 PM

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Shovah32 said:
Also, if you take a fire9 pretender your pillars of fire from him should be able to insta-kill(or almost) even niefel giants(they are 34+ ap damage and only require f2, im not sure how to work out the final damage but its alot)

Pillar of fire is a level 8 spell, so you won't be seeing it till around turn 40 at the earliest, which is virtually the end of most games.

llamabeast · #9 January 27th, 2007, 10:47 AM

Well the thing is with 40 giants, each of which regenerates 15hp every turn, it's very hard to damage them fast enough. I suspect that even twenty mages casting steadily would just spread their damage too thinly to kill them quickly. Also Burning Ones almost invariably die in one hit from the giants, so it's impossible to hold them off for any length of time. I've also never seen them kill a giant, although my bless is very weak (Fire 4).

As for the blindness - sadly I haven't got any construction research yet, so can't make any Eyes of the Void. And if he once throws up Antimagic I'm stuffed, although to be fair he has no research at all yet. Maybe I'll do a test game and give it a go.

The reason I'm a bit unsure about using MR spells is that in the Sauromatia game, I had 22 soul slays cast a turn for several turns, each using Eyes of the Void and Spell Focuses, and they killed maybe 4 or 5 giants. He did have Antimagic though.

Aargh! I hate giants!

One thing I think I did wrong with the salamanders was attack in a Cold-1 province, rather than a Heat-3 province. Would that make a lot of difference to the amount of damage the salamanders would do, and how quickly they get tired?

Sammual · #10 January 27th, 2007, 11:07 AM

Don't try to take them in one battle. They have the advantage in large battles. Use a few short battles to weaken them first. The giants will take battle afflictions and over time will take starvation afflictions as well. Hit and run fights don't let them use the chill, rejuve, or regen to any effect.

Sammual