Nominate your "Tiny Tim" spell here!

[Gandalf Parker]

Yet another "what is crap in the game" thread which amounts to showing us that altho people keep saying there is alot of crap it doesnt amount to much since there is such a huge disagreement on what that crap is.

[tombom]

Gandalf Parker said:
Yet another "what is crap in the game" thread which amounts to showing us that altho people keep saying there is alot of crap it doesnt amount to much since there is such a huge disagreement on what that crap is.

Dominions 3 isn't perfect but I don't think this thread was here to complain, just discuss civilly in a slightly jokey fashion what they think about certain spells. Nothing wrong with it and not really deserving of a derisive post.

[Meglobob]

Gandalf Parker said:
Yet another "what is crap in the game" thread which amounts to showing us that altho people keep saying there is alot of crap it doesnt amount to much since there is such a huge disagreement on what that crap is.

You are being abit unfair here Gandalf, this is a very constructive thread, no one is knocking the game at all. Indeed, hopefully by the end we will have a list of some spells that could do with a 'retune' and some spells that people thought were useless but now release are useful given the right situations.

[Gandalf Parker]

Even without discussion of it you are getting disagreements. With discussion it might be shown to be another no-agreements subject therefor not worth the impression it gives.

But its not like Im taking official action. Its just my personal opinion which I allowed to leak out. Just mumble "gandalf fanboi" again and ignore it.

[Endoperez]

Most spells mentioned here are useful in the right situations. However, these cases often are are very rare and, more importantly, not something you could plan to use. Stream of Life is risky, but if it's the best you can do... Similarly, in the optimal case you never use the touch spells, but occassionally they can save the life of your caster.

[Dedas]

I would like to experiment more with the touch spells. Maybe one could use them effectively when expanding early?
It is risky though but with the right intelligence, in form of spies, and the right scripting, maybe this risk could be reduced? What do you think? Any ideas?

[Gandalf Parker]

Endoperez said:
Most spells mentioned here are useful in the right situations. However, these cases often are are very rare and, more importantly, not something you could plan to use. Stream of Life is risky, but if it's the best you can do... Similarly, in the optimal case you never use the touch spells, but occassionally they can save the life of your caster.

Or with certain SC's or certain pretenders or some are just for fun or role playing.

Of course there are still some that could stand to be made more useful so maybe its just the idea of generating an apparently long list of "useless" spells that bugs me. With so many dud units and dud nations and useless spells its a wonder that anyone visiting the forum bothers to try this game at all.

[Dedas]

Hey Gandalf, don't mind them help me instead with these touch spells. I'm sure there are some very good uses for them just waiting for me find, I just need a push to get in the right direction.
Do you use them? If you do, how?

Some questions:
*Is there some special mages that are better with touch spells than others? T'ien Ch'i LA come to mind.

*Items that help with surviving in close combat but don't add fatigue so you can cast spells.

*Bodyguards that don't get into the way.

[Endoperez]

I wouldn't plan to use the touch spells. In some cases, I might want to use Fire/Cold Blast, Shadow Bolt/Blast, Flame Eruption or some other improved versions of the touch spells, but not the touch spells themselves. However, I've seen Death mages annihilate a pair of thugs that managed to Attack Rear... You shouldn't plan on using them, but they could save your mage.

[Sombre]

Gandalf Parker said:
Of course there are still some that could stand to be made more useful so maybe its just the idea of generating an apparently long list of "useless" spells that bugs me. With so many dud units and dud nations and useless spells its a wonder that anyone visiting the forum bothers to try this game at all.

I'm really sorry to go breaking the flow of this thread, but I'm getting tired of this kind of attitude. Why are people who are discussing problems with the game often accused of 'hating' the game? If people didn't like dominions3 they wouldn't be pointing out which spells are overcosted or underpowered and trying to fix them in mods, would they? Same deal for pointing out problems with the AI, higlighting units that they'd never build, trying to restore some balance to the Vans etc etc.

Some spells and units and so on in Vanilla just aren't balanced. No-one is claiming the game is bad, no-one is badmouthing the devs, no-one is being overly negative. It's just that there's no point in making lists of units/spells/nations that don't have balance problems is there? Acting like everything is perfect and labelling everyone who disagrees as 'haters', 'whiners' and people with no interest in RP, singleplayer etc is just silly.

As for people not trying the game, if they're daft enough to come to the conclusion that the game is bad by reading a couple of threads pointing out issues to be fixed (this game has active modders and fairly regular patches as a major reason to buy it in my opinion) then that's their problem. And if they measure up the good and bad of dom3 (and yes, there /is/ a list of bad points) and decide they don't want to buy the game,... how is that a bad thing? They're just making an informed decision. I personally get a lot of enjoyment from Dom3, but there are plenty of people who wouldn't and I'd never want to give them the wrong impression of the game, resulting in them buying it an being unhappy.