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Old May 23rd, 2008, 03:51 PM
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Default Re: Can helis transfer any vehicles in the game?

First of all, thank you for the very informative post.

No worries though, if nothing else, I won't risk losing a MBT and a helicopter in one go.

I also tried parachuting them and it worked, though they got some damage, my guess is that this is also part of the game mechanics you explained, so I won't try that either, against another human or AI.

When you say up to a normal APC, that means no IFVs or AT-"APCs", right?
What about light tanks like the M24? Would you say it is a bit too much?

Hmm, after checking wiki, the CH47D can carry up to 27000 pounds, while the M24 weights 40000. I guess not. Besides, I don't think it would fit in there lol.
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Default Re: Can helis transfer any vehicles in the game?

Here is an interesting article on slinging loads:

http://images.google.ca/imgres?imgur...%3Den%26sa%3DN

It wouldn't have occurred to me to try slinging a tank under a helo in the game - I thought four Hummers was pushing it. I'm beginning to think I'm maybe a little too naive to be playing PBEM games...
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Old May 24th, 2008, 02:59 PM
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Ah yes, he has a B.S. degree, that always makes me smile cause it always makes me think the other thing that BS stands for.

Don't worry, I trust the guy, I have a degree too lol.
Weird though that I had a deja vu feeling reading that, I wonder if I have read it before.


Well the APCs are out of the question. The Ch47D can carry 12 metric tons. The M113 is at least 12.3 The BMP-1 is at least 13.2 etc.
2 jeeps looks like the maximum realistic load or one light artillery.
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Default Re: Can helis transfer any vehicles in the game?

A Marine Corps CH-53E can sling load a LAV-25. I've seen photos of this. I don't know if the vehicle crew was inside the chopper or not. I have read of a CH-47 lifting an
M-113. Right now the largest active service transport helicopter is the Russian Mi-26 which I believe has the internal capacity of a C-130, and can lift 15 tons.
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A lot of vehicles can be sling loaded or otherwise carried by the CH-47, CH-53, or CH-54 series of helicopters. What is not accurately modeled by the game is the "instant" loading and unloading time (same reasons tank transporters are largely inaccurate). Very few of these vehicles, capable of being carried or not, could be immediately deployed as such from the transporting helicopter.

This is why the Internally Transportable Vehicle (ITV) program exists.
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What is the deployment time to unload a vehicle from a sling load? Just as the article above describes the load teams, when I was in the Marines (late 70s) they had Helicopter Support Teams which I guess do the same thing.
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They don't have a specific time allotted for operations in FM 10-450-3, MULTISERVICE HELICOPTER SLING LOAD: BASIC OPERATIONS AND EQUIPMENT, but you get a sense of the requirements with the need to inspect the load carrying equipment, as well as the load itself before and after each mission, and the requirements for the ground loading elements (4 people not modeled in ingame loading for the USMC and USN, or 3 for the US Army, USAF, and USCG).

You can read 10-450-3 online (in pdf) here
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