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				July 12th, 2019, 08:47 PM
			
			
			
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				 Re: MBT's 
 In general I'd assume sales to other countries are a generation, or two, behind whatever the seller currently uses.  With a few exceptions for "good buddy" nations. 
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				 Re: MBT's 
 Poland has a new program for returning to active duty retried T-72 in years 2019-2025 old stock T-72 build in Poland in eighties will be modernised, to New standard T72M2 here is a description (google translator) from original manufacturer site Bumar-Łabędy with nice photoshttps://translate.google.pl/translat...o-standardu-m2 
This modernised old T-72 will be close to PT-91 Twardy standard    
Contract signed
https://translate.google.pl/translat...899_1_0_0.html
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				July 24th, 2019, 12:04 PM
			
			
			
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				 Re: MBT's 
 This first one (Defence24  is a dedicated Polish site that also provides a European/World perspective as well.) I'm sure I had posted on last year as an FYI  issue. The second one has been based on postings for almost 3yrs  now which to my latest understanding is to move forward.
https://www.defence24.com/legislatio...in-battle-tank https://en.ukrmilitary.com/2018/04/z...oland-t72.html
 
The following further outlines the possible scope of the project it contains the "nitty-gritty " of the details:
https://www.defence24.com/pdf/?artic...in-battle-tank 
And just because... 
The next in paras 3 & 4 give us some current formation numbers, Which I believe are good within the game now based on a "quick look " only. But it's good to see there appears to be money to support these types of ongoing training given their budgetary conditions.
https://www.armyrecognition.com/july...assesment.html 
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				August 15th, 2019, 10:22 PM
			
			
			
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				 Re: MBT's 
 Well I needed something to do. We're all taking a break from the last two nights of "activity's" so... 
I was going to wait on this until I got home and again had access to to my files and the game but, what the heck!?!
 
I think we'll just call it the T-64BM-2017  it is an improved model over the current T-64BM "BULAT"  as currently in the game.
 
First what I'm comfortable at this time. 
1. The T-64BM-2017  is more advanced then the T-64BV-1 /T-64BV1M  and T-64BM "BULAT"  as listed below by "game usage " factors. 
A. Improved FCS , it has been upgraded with a very sophisticated 3rd GEN  system. What makes this system much improved primarily is the fact it's designed to be much less vulnerable to either man-made interference along the IR Spectrum  or those caused on the battlefield such as explosions, muzzle flash etc. it blocks them. We don't factor those into the game, however, this goes straight to the "heart of the matter " to the level of again, the sophistication of this system. We have this and so do the top tanks in the world. Another "key phrase " is it's an all weather capable system .
 
B. Improved Protection , the tanks above use (And a couple of others.} use NOZH/NIZH  armor protection system. The references are strongly leading  me to believe this is a newer Gen version  of the same. I feel very comfortable , pending other evidence to the contrary, it wasn't fitted with the DUPLET  System which is currently carried onboard the OPLOT-M .
 
C. Communications , The radio should be on par with the OPLOT-M . I believe you can thank us for that. It also has a very modern NAVSAT  System get allows for encrypted BSM comms. 
 
D. Has a remote 12.7mm RWS . 
Conclusions at this point... 
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A. Improved FCS , I see a TI/GSR 45  for this MBT. I'm not convinced  at this point it has the same FCS as the OPLOT-M . Again w/o the game available, I believe there is room for a minor "bump " in both LRF/STABILIZER  numbers. A compromise between the T-64 BULAT  and OPLOT-M .
 
B. Protection , I again see a compromise between the two tanks or I believe the T-84 OPLOT  might work as it had an earlier version of DUPLET  I believe on that tank. 
 
C. Start Date 10/2018. 
Don as you might remember we ran out of time for this MBT for the last patch mostly due to the fact I didn't have enough information at the time to my any assessments on the improvements to that MBT.
https://www.armyrecognition.com/augu...t-64_mbts.html https://www.janes.com/article/86319/...upgraded-t-64s
 https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-def...t64-tanks.html
 https://defence-blog.com/army/russia...er-t-72b3.html
 https://issuu.com/ukrainian_defense_...cs/udr-02-2017
 
 For the last, if the Ref. doesn't come up right, look for pages 14-15.
 
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				 Re: MBT's 
 As a side note very early this morning I took a look at the numbers and more resources concerning the T-64BV BULAT/T-64BV BULAT 2017  and come up what I believe would be good "numbers " for the latter . I took my references/notes and came up with the numbers based on the current T-64BV BULAT  and OPLOT-M .
 
Also I discovered that for sure the T-64BV BULAT 2017  apparently has 360' APS onboard as well as it's predecessor  (Though I'm still looking into that.). 
 
The APS is based on the same system that, and I hope your sitting down for this next, that the Ukraine sold to Turkey ! Like diarrhea ", Turkey just won't go away. I can confirm  that the "PULAT " APS is mounted on their M-60 TTS  and LEOPARD A1  tanks. Not sure about the M-48/LEORARD A4  tanks. At this point there's just as much to support "both sides of the coin " on them. I believe the M-60T  already had it (APS) when submitted.
 
Was going to add it at the end of Taiwan F-16V  post I just submitted until I saw how long it got!?!    
Keeping something short, that'll be the day !?!    
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 https://www.janes.com/article/88384/...in-battle-tank
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				 Re: MBT's 
 If some of you might remember I "celebrated " in a Post here, that Turkey  unseated India as the #1 PITA . They won't be unseated anytime soon.
 
This is not an unheard of situation, however it's still Turkey we're talking about. Here's the "quick and dirty ".
1.  The modernization program consists of 2 separate programs running in parallel.
 
1.a. M60T  has been upgraded to the M60T1 . Status:  Near Completion/or Completed.
 
1.b. M60A3 TTS  has been upgraded to the M60TM . Status:  About to begin/or Early stage production.
 
1.c. It's starting to look like most or all of the components used on the ALTAY  FCS is used on these "modernized " tanks. Not unusual as the ABRAMS  and BRADLEY  FCS's have the same core components on theirs.
Still running this down  Refs are scant. Ref. provided below best so far. PLEASE READ THIS CAREFULLY!!  I missed this on the first read myself about the "parallel programs". That info appears at the very bottom of the Ref.
https://www.militaryimages.net/threa...es.6788/page-1 6
 
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				 Re: MBT's 
 Chinese (VT5) ZTQ-15 "Type 15" Light Tank 
VT-5 is the export designation, it was unveiled in 2016 at an air show.
VT-5 / ZTQ-15 info 
It has apparently entered service with the PLA, being seen in large quantities at the 70th Anniversary of Founding of PRC Parade (albeit in desert camo). |  
	
		
	
	
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