Word of Mouth Has Killed

Atrocities · #1 January 1st, 2003, 08:53 AM

What can ya say, looks like the verdict is in, Star Trek Nemisis is now an offical flop.

Word of mouth among the fans killed this movie. They cut too much out of it, killed Data, and tried to make it an action movie instead of a Star Trek movie.

This according to the news report I just watched about the Top scores and the Bottom feeders of the Box office this Last year.

I don't think it is a fair assesment of Nemisis, because it has been out for less than a month against LOTR TTT, Harry Potter II, and a few other heavy hitters.

(Oh ya, Catch me if you can was a perty good flick.)

Paramount dropped the ball releasing Nemisis in the same month as TTT. What a colosal FU.

Rojero · #2 January 1st, 2003, 09:06 AM

Yea i agree with you on the assessment atrocities. I saw nemesis and was actually pleased..it was decent and a lot better than Insurrection, but when you release it with LOTR:TTT it was bound to lose. I believe a non traditiional time like somewhere in march would have been better, of course I dont think there is going to be another star trek movie...this might be the end of the franchise...you cant really develop a star trek movie on DS9 or Voyager...
i felt like i did when i HAD to go see Star Wars Episode II: I knew it was going to be predictible but I had to see it

Kamog · #3 January 1st, 2003, 01:07 PM

I thought Nemesis was pretty good. Certainly way better than Insurrection. Sure, it was a bit dark and had action-movie tendencies, but the space battle was outstanding and the story was pretty good compared to the other Star Trek movies. In my opinion, Nemesis is the third best Star Trek movie after Wrath of Khan and First Contact. I hope that this isn't the end of Star Trek movies. But I agree, it would be kind of tough to create a movie out of DS9 or Voyager because these series had definite conclusions at the end. I haven't been watching Enterprise so I don't know what's going on with that, but I'm not sure if people will be too excited if they made a movie out of that. Star Wars II was awesome. I have seen it 5 times so far. Two more years of waiting for episode III...

Ragnarok · #4 January 1st, 2003, 06:54 PM

I don't think it will be the end of the Star Trek movies. Sure they can't make a movie out od DS9 or Voyager but I am sure they could come up with a new crew or something. I mean without a TV series to sort of set up the movie with what kind of people they are would be pretty hard to do. But it is possible. Just make it a 3 hour movie.

geoschmo · #5 January 1st, 2003, 07:07 PM

I think if we see a new ST movie it will probably be about the cast of Enterprise. Of course a lot depends on what kind of following the new series generates. If it peters out we may not see another ST movie for a while, if ever.

Geoschmo

Graeme Dice · #6 January 1st, 2003, 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kamog:
In my opinion, Nemesis is the third best Star Trek movie after Wrath of Khan and First Contact.

First contact was a good movie, but it hardly compares with The Undiscovered Country and the Voyage Home, which are both better than Wrath of Khan.

DarkHorse · #7 January 1st, 2003, 08:02 PM

DarkHorse's Movie Reviews: Star Trek Edition (TM)

Star Trek: The Special Effects Nightmare

Somewhere in here was a decent plot, lost in hours of meaningless fly-by sequences.

Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan

Kicked @ss start to finish. The best villain ever in the ST universe. Best part; none of the characters were played for cheap laughs.

Star Trek III: The Search for Spock

Not too bad, but weak plot-wise as they were forced to write an entire movie to resurrect Nimoy's career after he decided he didn't want to be dead after all. At least they still didn't play any characters for cheap laughs, although Klingon Captain Ignatowski was stretching credibility somewhat.

Star Trek IV: The Beginning of the End

Horrible. Ridiculous. And to make matters worse, they resurrected the recurring thorn-in-the-side of Time-Travel (TM), the universal schtick of trying to make a movie interesting by introducing ludicrous plot devices that cause infinitely more problems than they solve. And here we first see our beloved characters played for cheap laughs. Unforgivable.

Star Trek V: Get Shatner Away From The Script!

Even worse than IV. What on Earth were they thinking!?!

Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country

A serviceable attempt to right the ship. Still playing characters for cheap laughs, but at least the overarching theme (cold war ends) was timely for once and fairly well done. Shakespeare spouting Klingons (how would they have even known about the Bard?) was again stretching credibility, but Captain Sulu to the rescue! That was a good touch, and fun to watch the Excelsior kick some butt. Extremely hokey ending, though.

Star Trek VII: Generations

Had it's moments, but this Nexus thing struck to much of Time-Travel (TM) hokiness. And Shatner...is still Shatner. The juxtaposition of Shatner and Picard was a little unnerving, at best; one guy who takes his role seriously, and one guy apparently unable to take anything seriously makes for some diluted chemistry. Ominous trend of playing Cmd Data for cheap laughs begins. How dare you screw with my favorite character!?!

Star Trek VIII: First Contact

Ugh, more Time-Travel (TM) hokiness. However, silly impossible plot devices aside, there was still some butt-kicking action here and there, and decent acting (for once) from the supporting cast. Still playing characters for cheap laughs, though. (EDIT: and Zephram Cochrane was from Alpha Centauri, not Earth; Paging Continuity Dept: Please come in, Continuity Dept)
And another thing... what's with this Borg Queen silliness? The coolest thing about the Borg, the thing that made them the second best Trek villain since Khan, was their utter alien-different-ness. They reeked of cool, just because they were here to kick your butt, then assimilate it, AND they were relentless, AND the best part: you couldn't just shoot there leader and declare victory like so many slovenly enemies out there. Now comes the movie, and voila, kill the Queen and they all die. Now they're just normal follow the leader villains. That kinda smacked of hokiness.

Star Trek IX: Insurrection

This was so dull I don't even remember enough about it to review it. I vaguely remember it sucking.

Star Trek X: Nemesis

Haven't seen it yet, may never due to the reviews.

Thanks for joining me for this review session. Hope you enjoyed it!

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