Give me good reasons why R'lyeh is a balanced nation.

Argitoth · #1 February 3rd, 2004, 06:19 AM

Yeah, R'lyeh is the cheapest, most unbalanced, overpowered crap of a nation.

Now tell me why R'lyeh is not unbalanced, they better be good reasons too.

[ February 03, 2004, 04:21: Message edited by: Argitoth ]

#2 February 3rd, 2004, 06:21 AM

Illithids eat a metric ton.
Can't affect Mindless with their 'specials'.
Rely so heavily on their capital if you drive the taxes up on it they have nearly an impossible time recovering if they survive.
Get owned by Arrows in a bad way.

Those are a few off the top of my head.

Argitoth · #3 February 3rd, 2004, 06:29 AM

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Originally posted by Zen:
Illithids eat a metric ton.
Can't affect Mindless with their 'specials'.
Rely so heavily on their capital if you drive the taxes up on it they have nearly an impossible time recovering if they survive.
Get owned by Arrows in a bad way.

They aren't owned by arrows. Not being able to effect mindless beings is NOT a weakness. Depending on their home province is made up with the fact only Atlantis could effectively siege it. Only ermor is safe from the "specials" and Ermor is the only other nation which is uncanny underwater.

None of those reasons I am satisfied with.

NEXT!!

cihset · #4 February 3rd, 2004, 06:29 AM

One time long ago, I took a philosophy class. There I learned that if you are to have an useful discussion, you need valid arguments with supports to your claim, otherwise one can say the most silliest things and claim you are right when you cannot be dissaproven. Hence the burden of proof is on the originator of the claim, not the other way around.

I.e. How is R'lyeh the cheapest, most unbalanced, overpowered crap of a nation?

Argitoth · #5 February 3rd, 2004, 06:30 AM

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Originally posted by cihset:
One time long ago, I took a philosophy class. There I learned that if you are to have an useful discussion, you need valid arguments with supports to your claim, otherwise one can say the most silliest things and claim you are right when you cannot be dissaproven. Hence the burden of proof is on the originator of the claim, not the other way around.

I.e. How is R'lyeh the cheapest, most unbalanced, overpowered crap of a nation?

All I want are reasons I can be satisfied with. I don't really understand what you just said either.

Graeme Dice · #6 February 3rd, 2004, 06:34 AM

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Originally posted by Argitoth:
They aren't owned by arrows.

Ever tried "target archers"?

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None of those reasons I am satisfied with.

You might want to supply some reasons to support your own case.

#7 February 3rd, 2004, 06:38 AM

Argitoth. I could care less if your satisfied with the answers. But those are them. If I give you a knife and instead of stabbing your enemy you stab yourself, it doesn't make the knife wrong, but your implementation.

Edit: Try using some Barrels of Air or Sea King's Goblets or if you are really desperate some Pills of Water Breathing to siege R'lyeh quickly. Or if you didn't build any way to get into the water and you can't recruit any water or air mages, then you had better resigning yourself to not being able to go underwater and find a way to circumvent that weakness.

[ February 03, 2004, 06:07: Message edited by: Zen ]

Graeme Dice · #8 February 3rd, 2004, 07:06 AM

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Originally posted by Zen:
If you are only playing C'tis and they just owned your 'elite' Disentigration strategy and your whining about it, that's fine. But if you can't seem to beat R'lyeh, try exploiting some of the things listed below.

Actually, if his strategy depended on disintegration then I would think it would have problems with any nation that can throw cannon fodder at him easily, and R'Lyeh's lobo guards work quite well at that.

Raz 24 · #9 February 3rd, 2004, 07:27 AM

Sure they have mind bLast and stuff but theyre infantry is a tad bit lacking

Argitoth · #10 February 3rd, 2004, 07:34 AM

Wow Zen, let's not start a flame war.

Those mindbLasters have thick armor, 16 protection. They also have unroutable fodder troops. Their mages are really powerful. What are "Target Archers?"

And no, I wasn't owned by R'lyeh and decided to make this thread. I started it because the first time I was owned by R'lyeh (way before you guys were even born) I've been meaning to start this thread.

Also, fodder troops help, but are just as good as massing archers on my mages. My strategy has a lot more depth than just disintegration.

Edit: I would create mindless troops by casting Pale Riders and casting Arouse Hunger for the mindless commanders. (I guess that would work, but I only play C'tis, what about all the other nations?)

[ February 03, 2004, 05:36: Message edited by: Argitoth ]