Ultimate Vehicle Size

[Andrés]

This is a little mod I made
http://se4kdy.cyberwars.com/temp/Ult...ehicleSize.zip

Major re-work of all vehicle Sizes (exept mines, troops and weapon plats to be completed later)
My first idea was to use newtonian movement but hit to many times the maximun movement and maximun engines per move so ended up so ended up using this intermediate system that allows giving more movements to small ships, and get rid of bonus movements in engines (having a similar efect with all engines, but not allowing for example having 4 movs with only 1 QE)

I'm still not sure if I'll complete this one as a new mod or integrate it with my StarWars mod.


[This message has been edited by Andrés Lescano (edited 13 August 2001).]

[Suicide Junkie]

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My first idea was to use newtonian movement but hit to many times the maximun movement and maximun engines per move so ended up so ended up using this intermediate system...

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Can you give some details about how this works?
How similar is it to the P&N v2 propulsion style?

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[Matryx]

I'm impressed to say the least
I count about 45+ levels of ship construction!

certainly puts a different view on the rest of the mods out there (i.e. tiny).

Also, congratulations. You are the first mod (to my knowledge) to include a properly working Modinfo.txt
(sorry SJ, you left of the pre-data such as author, whether mod is enabled, Version info and so on - check in your P&N thread for the Version I uploaded for you with corrections)

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[This message has been edited by Matryx (edited 13 August 2001).]

[Kadste]

Andrés

Can you confirm some things about your movement system.

Your heavy destroyer has max 6 engines and 6 engines per move. Therefore using the Ion engine (generates 6 standard movement) the heavy destroyer should move 6 sectors. (max 6 engines times 6 standard movement divided by 6 engines per move). Does the heavy destroyer move 3 in combat?


Now your Moonship has max 2 engines and 5 engines per move. If you use the same Ion engine (generates 6 standard movement)
Does the moonship move 2? (max 2 engines times 6 standard movement divided by 5 engines per move). What happens to the .4 leftover? Is it used in any way? Does this ship move 1 in combat?

And if you look at your Massive Mothership-8 has max 2 engines and 6 engines per move. Using the same Ion engines does this ship move 2 sectors and 1 in combat?


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[Suicide Junkie]

Kadste: yes to all. and extra fractional movement is rounded down. That's the way SE4 works.
All that fractional movement is good for is a backup engine. EG. in the case of my battlemoons, 40 CT engines give you one movement. 40 JP engines give you 1.3 movement, roughly. That means you can lose 10 JP engines before your battlemoon stops.
Yet battlemoons are always limited to 1 movement.

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Also, congratulations. You are the first mod (to my knowledge) to include a properly working Modinfo.txt
(sorry SJ, you left of the pre-data such as author, whether mod is enabled, Version info and so on - check in your P&N thread for the Version I uploaded for you with corrections)

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I had no idea you needed things like that for your mod launcher/picker. What would enabled mean? Surely all mods that people distribute would be playable, and hence should be "enabled"...

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-<Download compatible EMPs for P&N v1.2 through v1.7>-
-<Download SJs latest AI Patcher>-
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[Andrés]

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I count about 45+ levels of ship construction!

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60 levels

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Can you give some details about how this works?
How similar is it to the P&N v2 propulsion style?

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Kadste has posted some examples.

Basically most medium sized ships will have 6 engines and 6 engines per move, so each ion engine (with 6 standard movs) gives 1 mov and work very similar to the original game.
Small ships will have less than 5 engines per move and move faster with fewer engines and I got tired of adding 255 engines to a massive ship with 255 engines pre move so I just gave the large ships 5 eng/move and 2 engines.


The same Heavy Destroyer using quantum engines (9 standard movs) will move at 9*6/6=9 but with only 1 engine at 9*1/6=1.5 (rounded down to 1).
And a Light Scout with 2 Ion engines will move at 6*2/1=12!

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Also, congratulations. You are the first mod (to my knowledge) to include a properly working Modinfo.txt

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Acutally I have your're program installed and now I always launch SE4 using it. I made the modinfo.txt using it and hitting the save button.

[Suicide Junkie]

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Basically most medium sized ships will have 6 engines and 6 engines per move, so each ion engine (with 6 standard movs) gives 1 mov and work very similar to the original game.
Small ships will have less than 5 engines per move and move faster with fewer engines and I got tired of adding 255 engines to a massive ship with 255 engines pre move so I just gave the large ships 5 eng/move and 2 engines.

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May I suggest you return to the <big number> of engines per move for large ships? What you then can do, to avoid adding a <big number> of engines, is make a new component, some thing like:

Capital Ship Engine:
-100KT size
-200 hitpoints
-65 standard movement points

Basically, just a 10x scaled up engine, with a +5 movement point bonus due to efficiencies of scale.

[Kadste]

SJ,

How do get the AI to use your Capital Ship Engines only on Capital Ships (assuming that is what there are designed for). I can understand that the larger ships will use them if they are the best available, but how you prevent a 250Kt size ship from using it.


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[Suicide Junkie]

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SJ,
How do get the AI to use your Capital Ship Engines only on Capital Ships (assuming that is what there are designed for). I can understand that the larger ships will use them if they are the best available, but how you prevent a 250Kt size ship from using it.

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That's a good point.
I've been thinking about how to get P&N AIs to use some of the powerful armor, and this is what I've got:

-Give your normal engines a "mineral resource generation" ability, and give the Capital engines an organics generation ability.
-Those particular abilities don't have any effect on ships, but you can call for them in your shipdesigns.txt!

Thus, you can have the larger ship designs use a single Capital engine and then add on regular engines to suit.

Or, alternatively, you could make the Capital engines a exact scale copy of the normals, and have the AI not use capitals via the above method.

[Matryx]

SJ: 'Obsolete' refers to the fact that you can set certain directories to not show in the mod launcher. For example if you had a development Version of the mod you didn't want to show, or if the mod launcher had identified a directory that wasn't really a mod.
It's a convenience field for the auto-detection and filtering system.
Most people should (unless they are evil) set Obsolete to False

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The Unofficial Space Empires 4 Mod Utility V1.7 (Revision 3)
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Download as a .ZIP <HERE>
Download as a .RAR <HERE>
Download as a .ACE <HERE>
Check a Screenshot of it<HERE>

Check an Alpha Shot of my Mod Editor (Unreleased) <HERE>