Save the Trees! [Fire Susceptibility]

Inigo Montoya · #1 July 13th, 2004, 05:19 AM

I love my Treelords and envision my Ents marching to victory.

Unfortunately, my opponent envisions the forests ablaze.

Is there any combination of items, spells, or wily tricks which can take my Treelords from 50% Fire Susceptible to 100% Fire Resistant?

Any help is appreciated!

Cainehill · #2 July 13th, 2004, 05:42 AM

Sure. Because of a bug, the Burning Pearl gives 100% fire resistance instead of 50%. Add a ... dragon helm, or a fire sword, or fiery armor, etc, it should be easy to get 150% added on, even without anything hard to get. (As long as you have fire magic / gems.)

Norfleet · #3 July 13th, 2004, 05:53 AM

I think Treelords are devoid of both hand and body slots, unfortunately.

quantum_mechani · #4 July 13th, 2004, 06:24 AM

You know, one way to improve treelords would be to give them an 'Awaken Woods' command. When in a forest province it would summon (also immobile) mini-treelord-like troops. A bit like the elemental royalty 'Summon Allies' command. After all, the Treelords have the same gem cost as the kings/queens.

Inigo Montoya · #5 July 13th, 2004, 06:25 AM

I'm afraid you don't understand the depth of the problem. It has to do with the mechanics of resistance.

Let's say I equip the Treelord with a Burning Pearl (100% FR) and a Ring of Fire (100% FR). I still have only 50% FR because the maximum the game will allow me to get from items is 100%. Since I start at -50%, I only get to 50% FR.

But I'm clever and elect to empower my Treelord to Fire-1. I then script the Treelord to cast Fire Resistance. Unfortunately, the AI does not elect to cast the spell (for good reason I will learn later).

Thinking the problem is I have partial fire resistance and the AI won't cast the spell since it would be "wasted," I script for Fire Shield (which confers a 50% FR). But Fire Shield adds nothing to my Burning Pearl and Ring of Fire. I remain max'd out at 50% FR.

So perhaps some of the Gods of this game with greater understanding than I posess can chime in and tell me that it is hopeless. It is probably designed into the game this way that if you are fire susceptible, you can never be fire immune.

Norfleet · #6 July 13th, 2004, 06:40 AM

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Originally posted by Inigo Montoya:
So perhaps some of the Gods of this game with greater understanding than I posess can chime in and tell me that it is hopeless. It is probably designed into the game this way that if you are fire susceptible, you can never be fire immune.

You can get to fire immune from fire susceptible, but it takes more equipment slots than a Treelord has.

The stacking rules for item immunity is currently that no immunity of a given type and magnitude stacks with an immunity of identical type and magnitude: Thus, you can stack 100 FR with 50 FR for 150 FR, but you cannot stack 100 FR with another 100 FR, or 50 FR with another 50 FR.

As for spells, a unit refuses to cast spells for resistance if it currently has ANY resistance. Also, it does not appear to be the case that resistances from the same school of magic will stack with themselves: Instead, the best is used.

One thing you can try is maybe stacking "Phoenix Power" (50 FR, Fire) with "Resist Fire" (W+E Version). PP should raise resistance to neutral, which means that he should still be willing to cast resistance.