.com.unity Forums
  The Official e-Store of Shrapnel Games

This Month's Specials

Raging Tiger- Save $9.00
winSPMBT: Main Battle Tank- Save $6.00

   







Go Back   .com.unity Forums > Illwinter Game Design > Dominions 3: The Awakening

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old September 7th, 2007, 10:15 AM

CUnknown CUnknown is offline
Captain
 
Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 947
Thanks: 1
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
CUnknown is on a distinguished road
Default Mists of Deception -- exploit??

I have noticed recently that the spell Mists of Deception does not end when all of the opposing side has been either killed or has fled. Apparently it counts the little "mist creatures" as reason to continue producing them indefinitely.

In the same way that Wrathful Skies, for example, stops when all of the side which cast it has fled, so should Mists of Deception -- the mist creatures it produces notwithstanding. To me, this seems like an exploitive bug that needs to be fixed.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old September 7th, 2007, 11:17 AM

atul atul is offline
Captain
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Finland
Posts: 883
Thanks: 14
Thanked 11 Times in 9 Posts
atul is on a distinguished road
Default Re: Mists of Deception -- exploit??

I'd guess this is same bug as with the "battlefield enchantments stay after caster has fled" bug - i.e. enchantment should disappear the moment the mage that cast it dies or leaves the field but does not.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old September 7th, 2007, 12:14 PM

sum1lost sum1lost is offline
First Lieutenant
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 674
Thanks: 7
Thanked 15 Times in 10 Posts
sum1lost is on a distinguished road
Default Re: Mists of Deception -- exploit??

Personally, I think it seems rather thematic. Mage casts a spell, and then the army fades away to let the enemy flounder about in those very deceptive mists.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old September 7th, 2007, 12:25 PM
Morkilus's Avatar

Morkilus Morkilus is offline
Major
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Salt Lake City
Posts: 1,032
Thanks: 0
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
Morkilus is on a distinguished road
Default Re: Mists of Deception -- exploit??

Except that the attacker always loses when hitting the turn limit. This is the exploit I think he's talking about.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old September 7th, 2007, 02:14 PM

CUnknown CUnknown is offline
Captain
 
Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 947
Thanks: 1
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
CUnknown is on a distinguished road
Default Re: Mists of Deception -- exploit??

I will admit it is thematic, but it's still very exploitive. It's true, like Morkilus says, that the attacker always loses after 50 turns, and it's exploitive for that reason, but also when combined with Wrathful Skies or something similiar, it's just rediculous.

The situation I am whining about is this: I was seiging a castle with a powerful army that unfortunately didn't have any capable fliers in a storm. A weakness, I will admit. Anyway, the enemy pops in an Air Queen with a staff of storms who casts Mists of Deception, Wrathful Skies, and then retreats.

My army would have to be able to kill several etherial units popping up at random on opposite sides of the battlefield in a single combat round in order to get out of this deathtrap -- a basically impossible task in the mist/storm. My army was obliterated with no risk to the opposing player-- he didn't even have any units on the battlefield!

I should be able to deal with etherial units popping up at random. I should be able to deal with lightning strikes hitting my guys -- sure. If I can't deal with that, it's my problem. But, the fact that he didn't even have anything on the battlefield for 47 combat rounds of lightning hitting me is just out of control. And after those 47 rounds, I would be forced to retreat.

The tactic of Wrathful Skies and casting summoning spells (like living clouds) I have no problem with -- at least there are actual enemy units on the battlefield while the lightning hits me. In the case of Mists of Deception, it was an enchantment supporting the existence of another enchantment (wrathful skies) that did the killing.

While clever and viciously evil (which I consider a good thing), I believe this tactic crosses the line enough to be considered an exploit.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old September 7th, 2007, 02:28 PM
Burnsaber's Avatar

Burnsaber Burnsaber is offline
Colonel
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Finland
Posts: 1,617
Thanks: 179
Thanked 304 Times in 123 Posts
Burnsaber is on a distinguished road
Default Re: Mists of Deception -- exploit??

Dude, that's a pure exploit. The battle shouldn't continue if there's no-one actually fighting in the other side.
__________________
I have now officially moved to the Dom3mods forums and do not actively use this account any more. You can stll contact me by PM's, since my account gives e-mail notifications on such occasions.

If you need to ask something about modding, you can contact me here.

See this thread for the latest info concerning my mods.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old September 7th, 2007, 02:49 PM

Nikolai Nikolai is offline
Sergeant
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 203
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Nikolai is on a distinguished road
Default Re: Mists of Deception -- exploit??

This is very serious exploit, I think. And so is cast Wrathful Skies and retreat, while a super fighter stays on the battlefield. But in latter case, at least there is SOMEONE.

Two things can help, I hope we see at least one in next patch.

1. No commanders, automatic rout. Give Vengeance of the Dead a commander if that's a problem.

2. Mage leaves battlefield (dead or flown), battlefield wide spell ends.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 05:43 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.1
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©1999 - 2024, Shrapnel Games, Inc. - All Rights Reserved.