SE V: Unique Abilities And Ideas

[Atrocities]

I was wondering, mainly because I lack indepth knowledge of how SE V works, if the ability "One per Empire" is present?

I cannot over emphesis the importance of having such an ability and would hope that this is an ability that SE V does employ.

I would also like to see the ability "Can Fire While Cloaked." This ability could be used to facilitate a new breed of ship class much like a modern day submarine navy.

I put forth a while back a concept for a subspace fleet, I even went so far as to offer up a model of this concept for use with SJ's CB mod.

Having the ability available to give a ship the power to fire its weapons cloaked would inspire a great degree of creative and imaginitive modding possiblities.

Recently I put a lot of thought into how to make ships of every class unique on to their own.

While I am uncertain as to how many people have actually adopted many of the ideas that I am about to list, I am certain that great minds do think alike that most are already in play.

Each hull size would have specialized abilities such as better armor than any other class, better shields, longer range weapons, faster engines, more manauverablity, greater weapons capacity, better stealth, specialized "only this hull" cloaking, "only this hull" cloaking detection, superior electronic warefare technology, etc.

For example, Cruisers would have better armor than other ships, while destroyers would be faster and cheaper to build. Carriers and Dreadnoughts would be expensive to build, hard to kill, and extremely valuable prizes to either capture or destroy.

While SE V regrettably doesn't seem to not set itself apart fighter wise from SE IV, the concept of modern day fighter superiority in naval and world military doctrine would be especially appealing.

The ability to seperate standard movement from combat movement is vital to the success of any fighter based superiority modding concept. In SE IV, and I am not sure if this is so for SE V, standard movement does give combat movement thus a ship will always have combat movements even if the modder does not desire them or wishes to severely limit them.

Case in point a true Star Wars type mod where larger ships stand off and let their fighters attack. The larger ships can engage each other, as in Episode III and VI, but overall fighters care they bulk of the fighting responsiblities.

Fighters should be very fast compared to capital ship. So in combat they should move away from the capital ships with great speed and determination. Fighters should be by their very nature deadly to larger ships thus fighter on fighter tactics and strategies would be required. Unfortunetly I don't see this being possible in SE V. While I am sure it can be implament in some small degree via clever and adaptive mods, presently in stock it is not so.

The way I have been looking at it is that each hull, regardless of escort or carrier, should possess a unique ability that prompts the player to desire them.

How do current world Navy's determine the value of a ship? What is the value and purpose and unique qualifications of an Escort, a Destroyer, a Carrier, a Battlecruise (Such as the Russan ship Peter The Great)?

If each hull has a defined purpose than having a need for each hull becomes more meaningful.

[RCCCL]

Your cloak idea has merit, kind of like in MoO3, where you could find yourself in a space battle and not see the enemy ships.

I do think fighters should have high combat speed, but as for prowess, it should still take many fighters to damage any type of large vehichle. One thing I think would be neat is the possibilty of using fighters for planatary combat.

I've no idea how the mount system technicaly works in SEV, but if it's like SEIV, it would not be hard to create certain specific hull sized components.

I agree with you thtat it would be good to see some sstem of bonuses and minuses used to encourage multiple Hull size use.

[President_Elect_Shang]

That would be a scope not an ability. As far as I am aware there is not a “One Per Empire” scope. Although depending on the ability you want to use with that scope only one may be effective. Otherwise (scope or ability) the one per, two per, etc restriction is gone like the wind.

[President_Elect_Shang]

Should of done this in one post, sorry about that AT.

Atrocities said:
I was wondering, mainly because I lack indepth knowledge of how SE V works, if the ability "One per Empire" is present?

As before this is a scope and the one per, two per, etc restrictions are history. There are other ways to make this sort of restriction depending on what you want.

I would also like to see the ability "Can Fire While Cloaked." This ability could be used to facilitate a new breed of ship class much like a modern day submarine navy.

Nice idea but how would you attack the subs? I don’t see how depth charges could be made.

Having the ability available to give a ship the power to fire its weapons cloaked would inspire a great degree of creative and imaginative modding possibilities.

And headaches, don’t forget the headaches!

While I am uncertain as to how many people have actually adopted many of the ideas that I am about to list, I am certain that great minds do think alike that most are already in play.

If that’s true why am I here? I’m not great, heck I’m not even sure I have a mind.

Each hull size would have specialized abilities such as better armor than any other class, better shields, longer range weapons, faster engines, more maneuverability, greater weapons capacity, better stealth, specialized "only this hull" cloaking, "only this hull" cloaking detection, superior electronic warfare technology, etc.

This can be done! Not sure about all of it.

The ability to separate standard movement from combat movement is vital to the success of any fighter based superiority modding concept. In SE IV, and I am not sure if this is so for SE V, standard movement does give combat movement thus a ship will always have combat movements even if the modder does not desire them or wishes to severely limit them.

With SE5 you can set the two separately and you don’t even need to make separate abilities, engines or what not. You could set the engines per movement of (for example) small fighter to 1 point per engine then set the movement in combat to 2 points per movement point. In other words your out of combat fighter moves at speed 8 but it can be set to move at speed 16 or more with the change of one line in the vehicle sizes text. I used this to control the speed of my fighters; they need less engines but get faster.

Fighters should be very fast compared to capital ship. So in combat they should move away from the capital ships with great speed and determination. Fighters should be by their very nature deadly to larger ships thus fighter on fighter tactics and strategies would be required.

The great speed sure, the great determination? Pilots are pretty fickle, maybe if someone offers to make a beer run for them. I know how dry my humor so why do I insist on torturing everyone here with it? Sigh, the strategies could be set and if the fighter components are right this would certainly work. I think my TC will hit this very close to what you are going for.

Ok that is enough for one post, time to get some cookies!

[shinigami]

The magic line in VehicleSizes.txt is Space Combat Maximum Speed Per Movement Point. In stock ships have a value of 0.001 and fighters have a value of 0.002. Playing with these values could easily give you whatever results you desire.

Another quick note, when working with vehicle speeds the engines per move value does not have to be a whole number, the game will happily use decimal values!

[Atrocities]

Nice idea but how would you attack the subs? I don’t see how depth charges could be made.

Electronic Warfare. Destroyers, perhaps even escorts and frigates, would have access to cloak detection technology. YOu can adjust the cloaking to be weak in say passive EM or weak in Gravitic. A weakness that can then be detected with the proper electronic counter measures. (Scanners)

Once a ship "detected" it can be targeted. Have the component that is able to detect a cloaked ship limited to a smaller hull like a destroyer will make destroyers that much more valuable for fleets.

You give only Destroyers a weapon with the abiltiy to fire standard shields while making all other shield generators have phase shielding so that the weapon is useless against them. Or give the Sub superior armor and the Destroy the only armor peircing weapon.