Mg 81

RecruitMonty · #1 June 8th, 2009, 03:47 PM

Anybody have any reliable data regarding the range on the Mg81? I hear a few were converted for ground use. Any idea what the ranges of those would be, in particular?

I have been looking at the data for the Mg15 and 17 as well as the Mg34 and 42 (Listed below). It seems to me the ranges on the 15 and 17 are awfully high in comparison to the 34 and 42.

In-Game Ranges:
15: 24
17: 30
34: 12
42: 12

Will the data for the Mg34 and 42 (1200 Metres, no?) suffice for an estimted range for the Mg81 in your opinions? How high would you rate accuracy and High explosive kill as well?

Thanks, in advance, to those of you who can help.

AMX · #2 June 9th, 2009, 03:52 AM

You may want to look into the ranges some more - there are MANY MG34 and MG42, with different ranges, depending upon use.

Range 12 means 600m (12 hexes at 50m each), so those are probably the LMG entries.
MMGs should have longer range, and AAMGs even longer than that (I seem to remember that there's only one MG15 in the German OOB, and it's an AAMG).

And the MG17 is only available as an aircraft weapon, IIRC, so its range is actually irrelevant - aircraft only discern between range 1 (bombs) and more-than-1 (anything forward-firing).

pjbandit2003 · #3 June 10th, 2009, 10:11 PM

If I remember correctly there is a unit MG08/18 MMG could this be the MG81 you are looking for? I don't think that I have ever seen an MG81 do you have a picture or a link to a picture? Thanks.

Ken

AMX · #4 June 11th, 2009, 05:46 AM

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Originally Posted by pjbandit2003

If I remember correctly there is a unit MG08/18 MMG could this be the MG81 you are looking for? I don't think that I have ever seen an MG81 do you have a picture or a link to a picture? Thanks.

Ken

No, the MG08/18 was an improved version of the WWI-era MG08, while the MG81 was a WWII design (specifically, the last 8mm aircraft MG).

Anyway, I looked through the German OOB a bit..

apparently, all LMGs have range 12,
air-cooled MMGs have range 24
water cooled MMGs/"HMGs" have 30
AAMGs have 24
TMGs and CMGs have 24
BMGs have 10
the only 8mm aircraft MG has 30

RecruitMonty · #5 June 11th, 2009, 08:12 AM

Thank for reminding me about the ranges again AMX. Thanks also for the quick check of the OOB. I intend the weapon to be in the light configuration so a maximum range of 600 is in order.

I assigned it an HE Kill value of 10, do you think that is alright. It did have a very high rate of fire - similar to that on the Mg42 and the ammo is pretty much the same.

AMX · #6 June 12th, 2009, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by RecruitMonty

Thank for reminding me about the ranges again AMX. Thanks also for the quick check of the OOB. I intend the weapon to be in the light configuration so a maximum range of 600 is in order.

I assigned it an HE Kill value of 10, do you think that is alright. It did have a very high rate of fire - similar to that on the Mg42 and the ammo is pretty much the same.

Personally, I'd probably give it HE Kill 11 (as its ROF was supposed to be even higher than the '42s), Accuracy 16 (I seem to recall Don mentioning that ACC is based on barrel lenght, and that was a tad shorter).

@chuck: I'm referring to the pattern I see in the official files. If you believe that data to be unrealistic, you are welcome to suggest a better representation - but don't go around claiming that I am wrong.

PS: apparently, the water-cooled->range 30 thing holds true for CMGs, too - I missed weapon 113 (MG249(p) CMG).

redcoat2 · #7 June 11th, 2009, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by pjbandit2003

I don't think that I have ever seen an MG81 do you have a picture or a link to a picture? Thanks.
Ken

There is a drawing of an MG 81 converted for ground use on this webpage about maschinengewehr:

http://www.geocities.com/Augusta/8172/panzerfaust5.htm

redcoat2 · #8 June 12th, 2009, 06:44 AM

And this might be a photo of an MG 81 in use. Volkssturm on the Eastern Front, March 1945.

Link

chuckfourth · #9 June 12th, 2009, 07:47 AM

Hi RecruitMonty
Actually the air cooled MMG range of 24 is wrong.
These guns are inherently more accurate than the various Maxim copies fielded by other armies and also have a telecsopic sight.
Ive seen effective range quoted as 3000m, that would be 60 hexes.
Best Regards Chuck.

chuckfourth · #10 June 13th, 2009, 08:08 AM

Hi AMX
Sorry for my poor english, My intention was to mention how the -game- has
the range wrong not your reporting of it.
However this site
http://www.lonesentry.com/manuals/ge...chine-gun.html
states that the MMG 34 has an effective range of 3500 on the laffette tripod . Thats 70 hexes, rather than the current 24. This would suggest to me that the tripod mounted MMGs should have a greater range than the AAMG's?
Best Regards Chuck.