Demon Pretenders

Thufir · #1 July 28th, 2004, 04:59 AM

I was trying out Moloch with Abysia when on turn 5 it seems I was banished by an indie. Is there any kind of defense against this? Are undead pretenders (e.g. the Liches or the VQ), similarly vulnerable? If this is the case I'm wondering how people cope with undead/demon pretenders, as this seems to be a very serious vulnerability...

Boron · #2 July 28th, 2004, 05:14 AM

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Originally posted by Thufir:
I was trying out Moloch with Abysia when on turn 5 it seems I was banished by an indie. Is there any kind of defense against this? Are undead pretenders (e.g. the Liches or the VQ), similarly vulnerable? If this is the case I'm wondering how people cope with undead/demon pretenders, as this seems to be a very serious vulnerability...

hm that never happened to me so far .

there is one banishment order : smite demon .
but it "only" does 15+ an damage .
mr saves though .
so either you were very unlucky and lost your mr save throw a couple of times which is very rare or perhaps only your imps routed and your pretender fled and it looked like he got banished ?
because demons are almost "immune" to smiting even "fodder" demons like devils or fod's have about 16 or 17 mr which makes them hard to hit with smite demon .

[ July 28, 2004, 04:16: Message edited by: Boron ]

Graeme Dice · #3 July 28th, 2004, 05:15 AM

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Originally posted by Thufir:
If this is the case I'm wondering how people cope with undead/demon pretenders, as this seems to be a very serious vulnerability...

A magic resistance of 18 makes it very so that a "MR negates" spell will succeed about 8% of the time. A pretender's MR increases in friendly dominion, and with appropriate equipment you can bring it up to more than 25. This will make all MR negates spells succeed only around 1% the time. At that point, you are fairly safe.

Nagot Gick Fel · #4 July 28th, 2004, 08:41 AM

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Originally posted by Boron:
there is one banishment order : smite demon .
but it "only" does 15+ an damage .

... and there's the blood spell 'Banish Demon', and this one kills. The Moloch probably died to an indy blood mage.

Chazar · #5 July 28th, 2004, 10:15 AM

How different are undead from demons? Does smite or that blood-spell "banish demon" only affect Demons like Moloch or also undead like VQs? What about the holy low-level mass spell "banishment"?

spirokeat · #6 July 28th, 2004, 10:42 AM

From my understanding...

the conditions of 'undead' and 'demonic' are similar only in the ability for wielders of blood and death to lead.

In terms of damage they are entirely different, hence banishment as the description states, will work on both, but dust to dust for example only works on undead not demons.

There are a number of spells intended for undead only, as it would seem the massing of undead is far more prominent than demons.

Spiro.