Wish for gemgraph for next patch

Boron · #1 October 24th, 2004, 08:52 AM

Would it be possible to include the gems earned by hoarding items in the gem income graph ?

I personally like hoarding but lots of ppl hate it . Since the hoarding income is totally secret you can never tell if an enemy who seems to do nothing is hoarding or just doing plain bad . When excessive hoarding is done the gemincome from hoarding items is often far bigger then the normal gem income .

I think showing the clam/bloodstone/fever fetish gemincome in the gemincome scoregraph too would make the game even more interesting . This way if you chose the path of excessive hoarding your enemies see it and will react

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Probably this would eliminate the from many postulated "need" to nerf hoarding items too .

alexti · #2 October 24th, 2004, 11:42 AM

If you see somebody sitting and doing nothing, you have to assume he is hoarding (though it might be vampires or soul contracts rather than gem generators). Anyway, if you hit him and discover that he was plainly doing badly, it won't hurt you

Cohen · #3 October 24th, 2004, 01:46 PM

Well if however you can keep your generators in safety giving them to scout, they'll keep producing gems til the death of the owning nation.

PDF · #4 October 25th, 2004, 07:05 AM

I don't agree. The graphs are here to show let's say "public information" that should be obtainable via undescript general spying. Provinces, castles, VPs are all countable. Army size & gem income are aggregates that only give a vague hint about the real thing, but I take them that way (for example a 1000 Militia army looks huge compared to a couple SCs, but bear no chance !).
I don't want the graphs to give exact info, as they are they're fine for me.
Overall the only graph I find "too much true" is the research one, you can tell the real amount, something like "number of researchers" would be more consistent.

Chazar · #5 October 25th, 2004, 09:18 AM

Yep, the graphs are far to accurate - that's why I usually vote for turning them off entirely. Some options to partially turning them off would be nice (especially gem income and research).

Yvelina · #6 October 25th, 2004, 04:43 PM

I generally dislike graphs, but I would like to have at least the F4 information available at any time. Right now, if you turn off the graphs, you can't even see which nations are in play.

I would like to have just one graph, the 'Dominion' one.

Ironhawk · #7 October 25th, 2004, 04:50 PM

I love graphs and would be very hesistant to play in any game without them. IMO, they take away *so much* micromanagment and scutwork that they are a neccessity. If you didnt have the charts, you would have to manually handle a legion of scouts. And then on top of that you would have to do all these manual calculations based on the scouts data to guess what your enemies strength was. Who wants to do all that work?

But, while I disagree that the information is too specific, I do see peoples points. My suggestion would just be to build uncertainity into the graphs (like there is uncertainty in army numbers when a scout is in the province) somehow. And you could even make that option modifiable from game start.

Cainehill · #8 October 25th, 2004, 05:00 PM

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Yvelina said:
I generally dislike graphs, but I would like to have at least the F4 information available at any time. Right now, if you turn off the graphs, you can't even see which nations are in play.

Amen! You can't see which nations are in play, and worse - you can't even see which nations / players have gone AI. Given that there's no notification when a player goes AI, it's possible that only one human player might be left in a game without knowing. Or even - all players gone AI.

I could see only showing nations after you've come into contact with them, if only for a turn - a number of strategy games have done that before, where at the beginning you wouldn't know what races were in the game. But to not have the computer keep track of it once you've seen them, and to not know who, if any, have gone AI?

Cohen · #9 October 25th, 2004, 05:06 PM

Well you can always see what nations are in, from the select nation screen, and from Pretenders click, where you see every player, and his stuatus (if defeated, or AI, or Human).

Tuidjy · #10 October 25th, 2004, 09:07 PM

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Cohen said:
Well you can always see what nations are in, from the select nation screen,

Not available when you are getting your .trn file by e-mail.

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and from Pretenders click, where you see every player, and his stuatus (if defeated, or AI, or Human).

Not available when graphs are turned off... which I believe was Yvelina's point.