Healing Pretender

[GrudgeBringer]

I have a Pretender that received an affliction Battle wound strength -4 I used a priestess set on Heal but it did not heal the wound. They where the only troops in the province at the time.

I was under the impression it only took one turn...

Any suggestions?

[JimMorrison]

Originally Posted by GrudgeBringer

I have a Pretender that received an affliction Battle wound strength -4 I used a priestess set on Heal but it did not heal the wound. They where the only troops in the province at the time.

I was under the impression it only took one turn...

Any suggestions?

Healing Afflictions requires 2 rolls. The first is the roll to see if Healing may occur (% chance against your Healer skill), and there is a second roll against the Affliction. Some Afflictions are harder than others. I do not believe anyone has any concrete figures on the relative reliability of Healing different Afflictions.

[lch]

Originally Posted by JimMorrison

I do not believe anyone has any concrete figures on the relative reliability of Healing different Afflictions.

I do. After a successful healing attempt has been made, afflictions are being removed in the following order, until one has been successfully removed:

1. battle fright: 50% chance
2. feeblemind: 25% chance
3. diseased: 50% chance
4. crippled: 25% chance
5. blindness: 25% chance
6. lost eye: 50% chance (only possible if blindness is cured first)
7. weakened: 50% chance
8. mute: 25% chance
9. lost weapon (tail/pincer/branch/tentacle/...): 25% chance
10. lost an arm: 25% chance
11. some affliction that I don't know what it is: 85% chance
12. chest wound: 50% chance
13. limp: 50% chance
14. never healing wound: 10% chance

The "Never healing wound" is named like that because there is only a healing attempt if there are no other afflictions, or all previous healing attempts on the other afflictions have failed AND then there's only a 10% chance to heal it. A maximum of one affliction is cured per check.

[chrispedersen]

Originally Posted by lch

I do. After a successful healing attempt has been made, afflictions are being removed in the following order, until one has been successfully removed:

1. battle fright: 50% chance
2. feeblemind: 25% chance
3. diseased: 50% chance
4. crippled: 25% chance
5. blindness: 25% chance
6. lost eye: 50% chance (only possible if blindness is cured first)
7. weakened: 50% chance
8. mute: 25% chance
9. lost weapon (tail/pincer/branch/tentacle/...): 25% chance
10. lost an arm: 25% chance
11. some affliction that I don't know what it is: 85% chance
12. chest wound: 50% chance
13. limp: 50% chance
14. never healing wound: 10% chance

The "Never healing wound" is named like that because there is only a healing attempt if there are no other afflictions, or all previous healing attempts on the other afflictions have failed AND then there's only a 10% chance to heal it. A maximum of one affliction is cured per check.

Thanks for the great table ich; but I'd like to comment that immortals *must* have either better chances, or chances to heal multiple wounds.

[JimMorrison]

Immortality grants Recuperation, and from everything I've witnessed, Recuperation follows totally different rules than Healing.

[vfb]

Jim is right, and also healers can't heal afflictions on undead, just in case you've got a PoD or something. But Str-4 is not worth healing anyway, unless you are doing it for RP reasons.

[JimMorrison]

Originally Posted by vfb

Jim is right, and also healers can't heal afflictions on undead, just in case you've got a PoD or something. But Str-4 is not worth healing anyway, unless you are doing it for RP reasons.

But you can Heal Tartarians (which are Undead). You can also Heal Marble Oracles, which are Lifeless.

I thought it was only when those 2 traits coincided (Lifeless Undead) that a unit was not healable. Demons as well? Hmmmmm.

[vfb]

Originally Posted by JimMorrison

But you can Heal Tartarians (which are Undead). You can also Heal Marble Oracles, which are Lifeless.

I thought it was only when those 2 traits coincided (Lifeless Undead) that a unit was not healable. Demons as well? Hmmmmm.

I thought Jim was wrong here, so I tested. Jim is wrong. Sorry Jim.

You can heal Demons with a "healer".

But you cannot heal Tartarians with a "healer". You cannot heal a Marble Oracle with a "healer".

You can only heal lifeless or undead (or lifeless undead) with the Chalice or Gift of Health.

Tested with Mother of Serpents over 40 turns healing a Tartarian, Marble Oracle, and Arch Devil, all with Chest Wounds. Only the Chest Wound on the Arch Devil healed (after 3 turns of healing).

[JimMorrison]

Originally Posted by vfb

You can heal Demons with a "healer".

But you cannot heal Tartarians with a "healer". You cannot heal a Marble Oracle with a "healer".

You can only heal lifeless or undead (or lifeless undead) with the Chalice or Gift of Health.

Tested with Mother of Serpents over 40 turns healing a Tartarian, Marble Oracle, and Arch Devil, all with Chest Wounds. Only the Chest Wound on the Arch Devil healed (after 3 turns of healing).

Now that's very interesting. I admit, the Marble Oracles were done with GoH (I KNEW that 4N on an MA Agartha pretender is worthwhile!), but I was totally convinced that Healing worked on Tartarians, though it seemed like when I paid close attention, that it wasn't as fast as I'd like. That's rough, really. I understand that it makes thematic sense, but it also means that at most, 2 players can make full use of Tartarian Gate, and the rest are going to get highly inferior results (the rate of Feeblemind in freshly summoned Tartarians, is very high, which also makes perfect sense).

[Endoperez]

Or rather, Str-4 shouldn't affect your pretender's fighting ability in most cases, so there's no need to keep him from fighting just because of one affliction. If he has something to do (forge some magic items or cast rituals your other mages can't easily do), obviously it won't hurt to have a priestess in the same province.

Oh, and the chance of healing an affliction is most probably the same, regardless of how many afflicted units are in the province.