Weapon Stats (110, 128, 130, 150 and 175 mm guns)

[RecruitMonty]

I have been going over my weapon stats and I am still convinced something is amiss with these damn things. I will post what I have done up and I need your input on them. I will provide Russian and American variants for comparison.

The Sabot and HEAT figures are the ones I am having trouble with. In my opinion sonmething here is amiss.

Input from others who have had to come up with data from scratch and from those who hve had experience coding tank guns would be greatly appreciated. The debate about the utility of a 175mm and 150mm gun has already been had in a similar older post. This is not the place for such a debate. I will post the 110mm, 128mm and 130mm guns up first.

The Guns:

110mm gun (Imperium - 1960):

Weapon Class: 7
Accuracy: 13
Weapon Size: 12
Warhead Size: 6
HE Penetration: 3
HE Kill: 12
AP Penetration: 0
AP Kill: 0
Sabot Penetration: 38
Sabot Range: 102
HEAT Penetration: 48
HEAT Range: 102

Sources for the 110mm gun's data:
(Leopard 1 105mm L7 WG/DM 55)

Weapon Class: 7
Accuracy: 13
Weapon Size: 12
Warhead Size: 5
HE Penetration: 3
HE Kill: 11
AP Penetration: 0
AP Kill: 0
Sabot Penetration: 28
Sabot Range: 80
HEAT Penetration: 47
HEAT Range: 100

Crucial Comparisons:
(USSR and USA - 100mm D10T Gun/105mm M68/M392 Gun)

Russia:

Weapon Class: 6
Accuracy: 14
Weapon Size: 12
Warhead Size: 5
HE Penetration: 3
HE Kill: 11
AP Penetration: 32
AP Kill: 0
Sabot Penetration: 21
Sabot Range: 70
HEAT Penetration: 35
HEAT Range: 80

USA:

Weapon Class: 7
Accuracy: 13
Weapon Size: 12
Warhead Size: 5
HE Penetration: 3
HE Kill: 11
AP Penetration: 38
AP Kill: 0
Sabot Penetration: 32
Sabot Range: 80
HEAT Penetration: 43
HEAT Range: 90
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110mm gun (Imperium - 1970):

Weapon Class: 7
Accuracy: 13
Weapon Size: 12
Warhead Size: 6
HE Penetration: 3
HE Kill: 12
AP Penetration: 0
AP Kill: 0
Sabot Penetration: 40
Sabot Range: 105
HEAT Penetration: 48
HEAT Range: 105

Sources for the 110mm gun's data:
(Leopard 1 105mm L7 WG/DM 73)

Weapon Class: 7
Accuracy: 13
Weapon Size: 12
Warhead Size: 5
HE Penetration: 3
HE Kill: 11
AP Penetration: 0
AP Kill: 0
Sabot Penetration: 38
Sabot Range: 90
HEAT Penetration: 47
HEAT Range: 100

Crucial Comparisons:
(USSR and USA- 115mm 2A20 Gun/105mm M68/M735 Gun)

Russia:

Weapon Class: 7
Accuracy: 13
Weapon Size: 12
Warhead Size: 6
HE Penetration: 3
HE Kill: 13
AP Penetration: 30
AP Kill: 0
Sabot Penetration: 42
Sabot Range: 100
HEAT Penetration: 44
HEAT Range: 90

USA:

Weapon Class: 7
Accuracy: 13
Weapon Size: 12
Warhead Size: 5
HE Penetration: 3
HE Kill: 11
AP Penetration: 42
AP Kill: 0
Sabot Penetration: 36
Sabot Range: 80
HEAT Penetration: 43
HEAT Range: 90

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128mm gun (Imperium - 1960):

Weapon Class: 7
Accuracy: 14
Weapon Size: 12
Warhead Size: 7
HE Penetration: 3
HE Kill: 15
AP Penetration: 0
AP Kill: 0
Sabot Penetration: 45
Sabot Range: 110
HEAT Penetration: 50
HEAT Range: 110

Sources for the 128mm gun's data:
(Maus 128mm KwK 44)

Weapon Class: 7
Accuracy: 14
Weapon Size: 12
Warhead Size: 6
HE Penetration: 3
HE Kill: 15
AP Penetration: 23
AP Kill: 0
Sabot Penetration: 33
Sabot Range: 110
HEAT Penetration: 18
HEAT Range: 110

Crucial Comparisons:
(USSR and USA- 122mm M-62 Gun/120mm M58 Gun)

Russia:

Weapon Class: 7
Accuracy: 11
Weapon Size: 12
Warhead Size: 7
HE Penetration: 3
HE Kill: 15
AP Penetration: 25
AP Kill: 0
Sabot Penetration: 42
Sabot Range: 90
HEAT Penetration: 25
HEAT Range: 100

USA:

Weapon Class: 7
Accuracy: 15
Weapon Size: 12
Warhead Size: 7
HE Penetration: 3
HE Kill: 15
AP Penetration: 29
AP Kill: 0
Sabot Penetration: 0
Sabot Range: 0
HEAT Penetration: 38
HEAT Range: 100

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128mm gun (Imperium - 1970):

Weapon Class: 7
Accuracy: 14
Weapon Size: 12
Warhead Size: 7
HE Penetration: 3
HE Kill: 15
AP Penetration: 0
AP Kill: 0
Sabot Penetration: 58
Sabot Range: 110
HEAT Penetration: 55
HEAT Range: 110

Sources for the 128mm gun's data:
(128mm gun Imperium 1960)

Weapon Class: 7
Accuracy: 14
Weapon Size: 12
Warhead Size: 6
HE Penetration: 3
HE Kill: 15
AP Penetration: 23
AP Kill: 0
Sabot Penetration: 33
Sabot Range: 110
HEAT Penetration: 18
HEAT Range: 110

Crucial Comparisons:
(USSR and USA-122mm M-62 Gun and 125mm 2A26/BM15 (T-64 and 72)/120mm M58 Gun and 152mm M162)

Russia: 1

Weapon Class: 7
Accuracy: 11
Weapon Size: 12
Warhead Size: 7
HE Penetration: 3
HE Kill: 15
AP Penetration: 25
AP Kill: 0
Sabot Penetration: 42
Sabot Range: 90
HEAT Penetration: 25
HEAT Range: 100

Russia: 2

Weapon Class: 7
Accuracy: 13
Weapon Size: 12
Warhead Size: 7
HE Penetration: 3
HE Kill: 15
AP Penetration: 39
AP Kill: 0
Sabot Penetration: 50
Sabot Range: 105
HEAT Penetration: 45
HEAT Range: 95

USA: 1

Weapon Class: 7
Accuracy: 15
Weapon Size: 12
Warhead Size: 7
HE Penetration: 3
HE Kill: 15
AP Penetration: 29
AP Kill: 0
Sabot Penetration: 0
Sabot Range: 0
HEAT Penetration: 38
HEAT Range: 100

USA: 2

Weapon Class: 7
Accuracy: 10
Weapon Size: 12
Warhead Size: 8
HE Penetration: 4
HE Kill: 21
AP Penetration: 0
AP Kill: 0
Sabot Penetration: 0
Sabot Range: 0
HEAT Penetration: 45
HEAT Range: 60

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128mm gun (Imperium - 1980):

Weapon Class: 7
Accuracy: 14
Weapon Size: 12
Warhead Size: 7
HE Penetration: 3
HE Kill: 15
AP Penetration: 0
AP Kill: 0
Sabot Penetration: 72
Sabot Range: 110
HEAT Penetration: 60
HEAT Range: 110

Sources for the 128mm gun's data:
128mm gun (Imperium - 1970 and 105mm L7 DM/WG81):

Weapon Class: 7
Accuracy: 14
Weapon Size: 12
Warhead Size: 7
HE Penetration: 3
HE Kill: 15
AP Penetration: 0
AP Kill: 0
Sabot Penetration: 58
Sabot Range: 110
HEAT Penetration: 55
HEAT Range: 110

Weapon Class: 7
Accuracy: 13
Weapon Size: 12
Warhead Size: 5
HE Penetration: 3
HE Kill: 11
AP Penetration: 0
AP Kill: 0
Sabot Penetration: 40
Sabot Range: 100
HEAT Penetration: 47
HEAT Range: 100

Crucial Comparisons:
(USSR and USA- 125mm 2A26/BM15 (T-64 and 72) and 125mm 2A46/BM26 (T-80)/105mm M68/M744 and 105mm M68/M833)

Russia: 1

Weapon Class: 7
Accuracy: 13
Weapon Size: 12
Warhead Size: 7
HE Penetration: 3
HE Kill: 15
AP Penetration: 39
AP Kill: 0
Sabot Penetration: 50
Sabot Range: 105
HEAT Penetration: 45
HEAT Range: 95

Russia: 2

Weapon Class: 7
Accuracy: 13
Weapon Size: 12
Warhead Size: 7
HE Penetration: 3
HE Kill: 15
AP Penetration: 45
AP Kill: 0
Sabot Penetration: 64
Sabot Range: 105
HEAT Penetration: 55
HEAT Range: 95

USA: 1

Weapon Class: 7
Accuracy: 13
Weapon Size: 12
Warhead Size: 5
HE Penetration: 3
HE Kill: 11
AP Penetration: 42
AP Kill: 0
Sabot Penetration: 51
Sabot Range: 100
HEAT Penetration: 43
HEAT Range: 100

USA: 2

Weapon Class: 7
Accuracy: 13
Weapon Size: 12
Warhead Size: 5
HE Penetration: 3
HE Kill: 11
AP Penetration: 42
AP Kill: 0
Sabot Penetration: 60
Sabot Range: 100
HEAT Penetration: 43
HEAT Range: 90

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128mm gun (Imperium - 1990):

Weapon Class: 7
Accuracy: 14
Weapon Size: 12
Warhead Size: 7
HE Penetration: 3
HE Kill: 15
AP Penetration: 0
AP Kill: 0
Sabot Penetration: 78
Sabot Range: 120
HEAT Penetration: 62
HEAT Range: 120

Sources for the 128mm gun's data:
128mm gun (Imperium - 1980):

Weapon Class: 7
Accuracy: 14
Weapon Size: 12
Warhead Size: 7
HE Penetration: 3
HE Kill: 15
AP Penetration: 0
AP Kill: 0
Sabot Penetration: 72
Sabot Range: 110
HEAT Penetration: 65
HEAT Range: 110

Crucial Comparisons:
(USSR and USA - 125mm 2A46/BM26 (T-80) and 125mm 2A46/BM42/120mm M256 A1 and 120mm M256 A2)

Russia: 1

Weapon Class: 7
Accuracy: 13
Weapon Size: 12
Warhead Size: 7
HE Penetration: 3
HE Kill: 15
AP Penetration: 45
AP Kill: 0
Sabot Penetration: 64
Sabot Range: 105
HEAT Penetration: 55
HEAT Range: 95

Russia: 2

Weapon Class: 7
Accuracy: 13
Weapon Size: 12
Warhead Size: 7
HE Penetration: 3
HE Kill: 15
AP Penetration: 45
AP Kill: 0
Sabot Penetration: 68
Sabot Range: 110
HEAT Penetration: 70
HEAT Range: 95

USA: 1

Weapon Class: 7
Accuracy: 12
Weapon Size: 12
Warhead Size: 7
HE Penetration: 3
HE Kill: 15
AP Penetration: 0
AP Kill: 0
Sabot Penetration: 78
Sabot Range: 120
HEAT Penetration: 60
HEAT Range: 90

USA: 2

Weapon Class: 7
Accuracy: 12
Weapon Size: 12
Warhead Size: 7
HE Penetration: 3
HE Kill: 15
AP Penetration: 0
AP Kill: 0
Sabot Penetration: 90
Sabot Range: 120
HEAT Penetration: 60
HEAT Range: 90

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130mm gun (Imperium - 1995):

Weapon Class: 7
Accuracy: 14
Weapon Size: 12
Warhead Size: 7
HE Penetration: 3
HE Kill: 15
AP Penetration: 0
AP Kill: 0
Sabot Penetration: 90
Sabot Range: 120
HEAT Penetration: 68
HEAT Range: 120

Sources for the 130mm gun's data:
128mm gun (Imperium - 1990):

Weapon Class: 7
Accuracy: 14
Weapon Size: 12
Warhead Size: 7
HE Penetration: 3
HE Kill: 15
AP Penetration: 0
AP Kill: 0
Sabot Penetration: 78
Sabot Range: 120
HEAT Penetration: 62
HEAT Range: 120

Crucial Comparisons:
(USSR and USA - 125mm 2A46/BM46 (T-80 and 90) and 125mm 2A46/BM50/120mm M256 A2 and 120mm M256 A3)

Russia: 1

Weapon Class: 22
Accuracy: 13
Weapon Size: 12
Warhead Size: 7
HE Penetration: 3
HE Kill: 15
AP Penetration: 45
AP Kill: 0
Sabot Penetration: 84
Sabot Range: 120
HEAT Penetration: 68
HEAT Range: 95

Russia: 2

Weapon Class: 22
Accuracy: 13
Weapon Size: 12
Warhead Size: 7
HE Penetration: 3
HE Kill: 15
AP Penetration: 50
AP Kill: 0
Sabot Penetration: 92
Sabot Range: 125
HEAT Penetration: 80
HEAT Range: 100

USA: 1

Weapon Class: 7
Accuracy: 12
Weapon Size: 12
Warhead Size: 7
HE Penetration: 3
HE Kill: 15
AP Penetration: 0
AP Kill: 0
Sabot Penetration: 90
Sabot Range: 120
HEAT Penetration: 60
HEAT Range: 90

USA: 2

Weapon Class: 7
Accuracy: 14
Weapon Size: 12
Warhead Size: 7
HE Penetration: 3
HE Kill: 19
AP Penetration: 0
AP Kill: 0
Sabot Penetration: 97
Sabot Range: 120
HEAT Penetration: 70
HEAT Range: 90

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130mm gun (Imperium - 2000):

Weapon Class: 7
Accuracy: 15
Weapon Size: 12
Warhead Size: 7
HE Penetration: 3
HE Kill: 18
AP Penetration: 0
AP Kill: 0
Sabot Penetration: 98
Sabot Range: 120
HEAT Penetration: 85
HEAT Range: 120

Sources for the 130mm gun's data:
130mm gun (Imperium - 1995):

Weapon Class: 7
Accuracy: 14
Weapon Size: 12
Warhead Size: 7
HE Penetration: 3
HE Kill: 15
AP Penetration: 0
AP Kill: 0
Sabot Penetration: 90
Sabot Range: 120
HEAT Penetration: 68
HEAT Range: 120

Crucial Comparisons:
(USSR and USA - 125mm 2A46/BM50/120mm M256 A3)

Russia: 1

Weapon Class: 22
Accuracy: 13
Weapon Size: 12
Warhead Size: 7
HE Penetration: 3
HE Kill: 15
AP Penetration: 50
AP Kill: 0
Sabot Penetration: 92
Sabot Range: 125
HEAT Penetration: 80
HEAT Range: 100

USA: 1

Weapon Class: 7
Accuracy: 14
Weapon Size: 12
Warhead Size: 7
HE Penetration: 3
HE Kill: 19
AP Penetration: 0
AP Kill: 0
Sabot Penetration: 97
Sabot Range: 120
HEAT Penetration: 70
HEAT Range: 90
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Those are the figures as they now stand. A mild superiority over US and Soviet variants is expected as the calibres are larger but I still need your thoughts.

[KraMax]

Hello RecruitMonty.

For Russian guns - my data:

122mm M-62 - Acc=13, 53 calibers
115mm 2A20 - Acc=12, 49.6 calibers

It is possible to learn from you, whence at you data on USSR/Russian Sabot and HEAT to penetration?

[RecruitMonty]

The data I have for the Russian weapons and American ones comes from Plasma. I believe his ratings are a little more accurate.

[RecruitMonty]

Thanks for the help... oh wait...

[pdoktar]

To me your figures look just fine. In some guns only thing you could up is the HEAT pen, like if your 110mm 1960 has HEAT pen 48 and 105 L7 has 47, you could think like 47:10,5=4,47 and 4,47x1,10=49, so minor differences anyhow there. Of course smoothbore vs. rifled and HESH vs. HEAT plays a part here.

Also you posted such along list that its hard to look it over. You could post a few guns, where you really think are problems and ask others about them.

As said for me they look just fine.

[RecruitMonty]

Thankyou for your assistance.