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Old March 2nd, 2011, 11:02 AM

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There is a smal problem with the Canadian OOB. Spefically with the LAV III's carry capacity. It should be 8 not 7.
Long explaination; the LAV specs state there is a crew of 3 and it can carry 7 dismounts for a total of 10. This is correct.
However when the section dismounts so does the vehicle commander bc he is also the section commander. Leaving the driver and gunner/2ic in the LAV, so in practice, Canadian SOP is 2+8.
This affects playablity bc there are many formations with 8 man sections that should fit in their LAVs but don't.
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There is a smal problem with the Canadian OOB. Spefically with the LAV III's carry capacity. It should be 8 not 7.
Long explaination; the LAV specs state there is a crew of 3 and it can carry 7 dismounts for a total of 10. This is correct.
However when the section dismounts so does the vehicle commander bc he is also the section commander. Leaving the driver and gunner/2ic in the LAV, so in practice, Canadian SOP is 2+8.
This affects playablity bc there are many formations with 8 man sections that should fit in their LAVs but don't.
Easy fix?

Cheers
In theory - not too difficult.

Worth looking at perhaps for next year's patch, since this years has already been built and is in pre-release test.

There are no formations that "do not fit their LAVS" since the motor rifle sections are the LAV users. Post 95 ones have 7 men, vice 8, so a campaign that overlapped the changeover date would be the only situation of conflict.

Changing to an 8 man org may allow leg rifle sections etc to use the LAV sections from the support buy page, however?.

- Change all LAV of unit class 23 to 2 crew, 8 dismounts, after checking that no other one of that has a 7 section limit. (Quick look seems to be 8s and 12s and no conflicts).

- Change all UC 51 and 64 to 8 from 7 (after ~95). Check all formations that use those first, to see if anything else would be broken by the 7->8 dismount change.

- Find any other LAV clones of other unit classes than 23, if any, and do the same. See if they have specialist dismounts. Examine for any unforeseen knock-ons.

- Test by purchasing multiple samples 1995-2020.

- Recalculate points.


Probably 3-4 man-hours work (mainly checking) if it is a "simple" edit.

But as stated - just that bit too late to make it for the cut this year, methinks.

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Just a quick pop in been busy so no time to give furter info sorry, Think Lav sections already have 8 man dismounts, if this applies to Lav III Kodiak n Slat think makes quite a bit of diffrence to waht you can choose if using Motor Co DW, can get a wider option of choices that fit. Sorry just going from memory
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Just a quick pop in been busy so no time to give furter info sorry, Think Lav sections already have 8 man dismounts, if this applies to Lav III Kodiak n Slat think makes quite a bit of diffrence to waht you can choose if using Motor Co DW, can get a wider option of choices that fit. Sorry just going from memory
And I was going from actually opening the OOB and taking a look, then some checking with the database tools provided.

8 men, till the LAV comes in ~95 then reduced 7 to fit that particular vehicle.

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Now corrected

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Thanks Don and Andy,
I have not been active for sometime, but I helped to redesign this OOB in 06, so I know whereof I speak. I realized the problem while designing a new scenario, OP Medusa Canada vs Insurgent in Afghanistan 2006. Beta testing now in progress.
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