Will Oceanians ever lose "poor amphib." on land?

[Reverend Zombie]

I sure hope so. Or is that working as designed? [img]/threads/images/Graemlins/Fish.gif[/img]

[Endoperez]

Well, it doesn't really matter. Even poor amphibian ability is enough to make them immune to spells that only affect landlubbers.

[Edi]

They actually need the poor amphibian ability because otherwise they would not be able to re-enter the sea...

Edi

[Reverend Zombie]

Normal Amphib, which they have when underwater, would actually do the trick.

[Edi]

Normal or poor, either way works.

[Reverend Zombie]

Edi said:
Normal or poor, either way works.

But normal works better! With "poor" they get stat penalties. As "good" Amphibians they would not. "Poor amphib" on a unit that is a "normal" Amphib underwater seems like a bug.

It would be nice if the devs would clarify.

[SelfishGene]

Shouldn't Agartha be a poor amphibian nation instead of normal amphib?

[PvK]

If that's what he's saying, it doesn't look to me like he is correct. None of my Oceanians have any penalties either on land or on sea (except that some can't come onto land at all, because they can't grow legs). The icon is misleading for the units that change shape when they come onto dry ground, but it has no actual negative effect. It's more like disinformation for the enemy, who might expect, say, a Wave Warrior, to be a poor fighter underwater, when they see his legged form on land - but they have no penalties on land, and when they go underwater, they change shape into a fishtailed shape that also has no penalty underwater.

PvK

[Reverend Zombie]

PvK said:
If that's what he's saying, it doesn't look to me like he is correct.
PvK

I double-checked, and I am wrong. Attributes do change (movement goes way down, for example, when on land), but there don't appear to be any poor amphib penalties per se. The different attributes appear to be a function of the different shape on land--a whole separate stat base than the form for the undersea version of the unit.