Inconsistant outcome

TruePurple · #1 December 20th, 2007, 02:22 PM

I had a very nice prophet get killed in battle. But when I reviewed the battle the prophet never even got hit, kicking butt all the way to the end of the field as the enemy retreated. I was so upset I abandoned that game

So a new game, two different battles, each a hero picks up a injury even though the battle says they shouldn't have. The second time I know for a fact the hero never got hit because he was wearing copper plate and it hadn't discharged (and up to the end of the battle he had no injuries, didn't even really make it to the front lines he was so far back)

I think all three examples the heroes were set to eventually melee attack.(can't remember with one of them)

Seems if I give a hero a command to attack it stands a chance of randomly getting injury or death after a battle, even if it never got such IN the battle. That or the battle playback just isn't showing correctly, but I haven't seen the issue with regular units.

Anyone seen this? Is this a known bug, or is it ... intentional?

Also anyone seen a issue where your troops seem most likely to run off on you when the enemy starts retreating & your winning? And if they make it to the end of the screen before the enemy can be destroyed/make it to the other end, those troops are gone?(as in no more, even though you keep running troops if you don't win, but you don't if you do win)

NTJedi · #2 December 20th, 2007, 02:28 PM

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TruePurple said:
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Seems if I give a hero a command to attack it stands a chance of randomly getting injury or death after a battle, even if it never got such IN the battle.

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Anyone seen this? Is this a known bug, or is it ... intentional?

This rarely happens yet does happen once in a blue moon. This has nothing to do with giving the commander/mage the command attack. If you watched the last arena match my spellcaster SC(Battle#3) was killed despite the battle showing him with 36hitpoints at the end of battle.

Illwinter will have a better chance of fixing this issue is if we find a way to accurately reproduce the issue repeatedly.

VedalkenBear · #3 December 20th, 2007, 02:37 PM

I had this happen with an 'army' of 10 Rishis (guarded by about 5 normal troops) Enslaving/Charming everything. But I lost all the troops. At the time, I had thought the computer got confused as to the 'final allegiance' of the turned troops.

About all I have for you guys.

Torin · #4 December 20th, 2007, 02:48 PM

happened to me more than once. 2 times sc golems dying in the report and losing the fight but in the replay they win.

TruePurple · #5 December 20th, 2007, 03:01 PM

So you had it happen with regular units too?

What about the second issue, of units running off on you right when your winning, and if you win and a units managed to run off on you then its destroyed.

Torin · #6 December 20th, 2007, 03:05 PM

mercenaries fleeing are lost. also there must be a province to run to, otherwise fleeing units are killed.

Ewierl · #7 December 20th, 2007, 03:17 PM

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NTJedi said:This rarely happens yet does happen once in a blue moon. This has nothing to do with giving the commander/mage the command attack. If you watched the last arena match my spellcaster SC(Battle#3) was killed despite the battle showing him with 36hitpoints at the end of battle.

Illwinter will have a better chance of fixing this issue is if we find a way to accurately reproduce the issue repeatedly.

I know I've submitted save files with the bug in them, info is out there. AFAIK the bug is caused by different random number generators; it happens when a MP game is hosted on one computer type (e.g. PC) and played on another (e.g. a Mac). The real battle resolution is determined once at host level, but the replay is generated at the player level, so it's possible for the replay to end up incorrect once in a blue moon if it handles random numbers differently.

thejeff · #8 December 20th, 2007, 03:24 PM

That was the old bug, probably still exists.

I've recently seen incorrect replays in SP games.
Viewed on the "host", obviously.
So there's something else going on.

Torin · #9 December 20th, 2007, 03:26 PM

yes, in SP theres no different versions.
if you have no provinces of yours next to the battle, fleing units are killed.

TruePurple · #10 December 20th, 2007, 03:32 PM

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if you have no provinces of yours next to the battle, fleing units are killed.

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me said:Except nonmerc units are lost, if you win, even if your surrounded by provinces. I only get to keep running units if I lose the battle it seems.

And why do they so often wait to run till after your winning?? Gosh we better get out of here, we got them massively outnumnbered, they might try something!