newb question

gregarine · #1 January 8th, 2004, 01:57 AM

I havent played Space Empires 4 but I love MOO2 and Galactic Civilizations. How does Space Empires stack up to those games?

[ January 08, 2004, 01:23: Message edited by: gregarine ]

Fyron · #2 January 8th, 2004, 02:18 AM

SEIV and GalCiv can not be directly compared, really, because they are different sorts of games and appeal to different tastes. GalCiv focuses on high levels of abstraction in many areas (such as ship combat, with only a small number of stats, ships fight one on one until one is dead, etc.), whereas SEIV lets you go into a lot of depth (you get to pick each and every individual component on ships, combat is far more complicated than GalCiv). They are both good games, but for different reasons. Also, SEIV is a multiplayer-capable game, which is a boon in and of itself. No limitation to AIs that become easily defeatable with enough play (under most circumstances) in any game. Though, the GalCiv AI is fairly competent (bigger budget anyone?).

Now, as for MOO2 and SEIV... they are both great games. MOO2 has a lot of cool features that are not found in SEIV, but SEIV has a lot of cool features that are not to be found in MOO2. They can both be heavy on micromanagement, which I assume you do not mind, seeing as you are a 4X player.

MOO2 is not moddable though. The extensive moddability is part of where SEIV shines. It is possibly the most moddable game on the market, tied with Half-Life. SEIV (for me) has much more replay value than MOO2, especially because of the ability to easily mod the game via simple text files. I have even written a modding tutorial (link in sig) to get you started, should you choose to purchase SEIV. Also, SEIV is one of the most developer-supported games out there. Countless numbers of suggestions from the players have been put into the game via patches. Well, you could actually count them if you want, and you will get a big number. Remarkably, the game was made by just a single person (for the coding and game design, there were some artists and sound developers hierd).

Check out the SEIV Gold demo. It will give you a good feel for the game.

[ January 08, 2004, 01:29: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

gregarine · #3 January 8th, 2004, 03:24 AM

Thanks for taking the time to answer. I will check out that demo.

Arkcon · #4 January 8th, 2004, 01:51 PM

I never played MoO, but I was a big GalCiv fan in the OS/2 days. One thing I noticed, in GalCiv you could peacefully expand and then rapidly build up your military when necessicary, and the AI would never catch on. No such luck in SE4, the AI is tempremantal, and living space is always in short supply. It took me a while to realize that you always have to be ready for an attack.

Atrocities · #5 January 9th, 2004, 02:21 AM

If you have enjoyed any of the following games you will enjoy SE IV.

Moo
Moo2
Moo3
BOTF
Rebellion
Stars
GalCiv
Imperium Galatica
Imperium Galatica II

SEIV has far more to offer than most of these games. SEIV is not without its flaws, but the shier weight of what you can do in SEIV makes up for any minor AI - Diplomacy - Political - Intel flaws.

SEIV has many excellent mods out as well and over 200 useable ship sets to choose from. Most of Babylon 5, Star Wars, Star Trek, Battlestar, Starblazers, and a whole host of other Sci-Fi oriented sets are available.

gregebowman · #6 January 8th, 2004, 04:41 PM

I've played most of those that Atrocities listed, but SEIV is the only I always come back to. Sure, I got GalCiv on my harddrive, and I'll play it from time to time, but I always seem to go back to SEIV. If I'm not playing the Star Trek mod, I'm playing the AST mod. If not that, there's TDM. Lately, I'm playing the Star Wars II mod. There's always something about this game that I enjoy so much. Heck, I've even made this website my homepage when I decide to go to the internet.