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				 Repel attempt bonuses 
 Is the difference in length between two weapons considered when repel attempts are made?  Let me clarify that:  would it be harder to close in on a guy wielding a spear, if you use a dagger rather than, say, a sword?
 If not, I would suggest that repellers gain a bonus (say, +1 per length difference beyond 1) to their attempts when fighting off guys with short weapons.
 
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				November 1st, 2003, 06:45 PM
			
			
			
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				 Re: Repel attempt bonuses 
 This entire thread is repulsive     
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				November 1st, 2003, 07:33 PM
			
			
			
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				 Re: Repel attempt bonuses 
 I'd think once you got past the guy's spear a dagger would work as well as a sword, and maybe even better (less unwieldly at close range). 
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				November 1st, 2003, 11:34 PM
			
			
			
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				 Re: Repel attempt bonuses 
 
	I most certainly agree, but you have to get there first.  As I mentioned in another thread, I would certainly be clapping my little hands if soldiers with unwieldy weapons would have to draw a secondary blade when forced into close-combat (e.g. a pikeman would have to switch to a shortsword), but I am not sure that such a feature could be easily implemented.Quote: 
	
		| Originally posted by LordArioch: I'd think once you got past the guy's spear a dagger would work as well as a sword, and maybe even better (less unwieldly at close range).
 Of course I don't have much melee weapon combat experience here so I'm not sure.
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 Alternatively, one could skip the whole secondary weapon approach and simply reverse the roles - the pikeman would now have to make rolls in order to distance himself from his attacker.
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				 Re: Repel attempt bonuses 
 It depends on the nature of the longer weapon. Yes, a pike has a signifigant minimum reach, but a two-handed sword, for example, can kill just as easily at shortsword range as it can at spear range.
 Trying to get to dagger range is generally easier against a broadsword, than against a longer weapon.
 
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	A two-handed sword - provided that we are talking about the ones found in Europe during the late medieval period and early renaissance - won't fare that well at close range.  A two-handed sword relies a whole lot on momentum and force, which is hard to achieve if someone's a few inches away from you considering the great length of these blades.  The edge wasn't that sharp, as it was mainly meant to penetrate armor (hello, Saber Cherry!).  Again, I am refering to Western two-handers here.  Eastern (Chinese, to be specific) two-handed swords tended to be much shorter, more akin to the Western "hand-and-a-half", and were used in quite a different manner.Quote: 
	
		| Originally posted by PvK: It depends on the nature of the longer weapon. Yes, a pike has a signifigant minimum reach, but a two-handed sword, for example, can kill just as easily at shortsword range as it can at spear range.
 
 Trying to get to dagger range is generally easier against a broadsword, than against a longer weapon.
 
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