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December 13th, 2004, 08:28 AM
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Newbie questions
Greetings everyone. I'm quite new to Dominions 2 and have still problems. But first I want to thank the people at Illwinter for creating a good game that works under Linux, Bruce Geryk for creating a good intro walkthrough and Gandalf Parker for creating the Starter files.
Onward to the questions:
1. What is the best way for infantry nations (Abysia, Jotunheim, ...) for dealing with enemy cavalry? Spearmen if available? Mages? Summons?
2. I have had problems with Abysian troops that have broken early in the battle. Cause unknown, my guess is enemy spells. What is the best way to increase morale? Priests?
3. Research strategies, I have none yet. Blood nations should go for blood early of course, but the rest? Fire, evocation? Nature, conjuration? Death, enchantment?
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December 13th, 2004, 08:35 AM
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Re: Newbie questions
1) Not many people use cavalry as they are generally don't very worth the gold/resources. With Abysia I just use brute force against cavalry. With Jotunheim, it is harder since they are so big, have poor attack stats, and cavalry generally has good defense.
2) Priests are good. But maybe you should try getting a bigger squad of Abysian troops together.
3) Depends on your nation and pretender setup of course.
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December 13th, 2004, 10:29 AM
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Re: Newbie questions
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1. What is the best way for infantry nations (Abysia, Jotunheim, ...) for dealing with enemy cavalry? Spearmen if available? Mages? Summons?
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(Assuming 'cavalry' refers to HC/knights
Spearmen: they were a very effective counter to shock cavalry in ancient warfare, not so in Dominions. High damage weapons (like battleaxes) is what you want.
Mages: Abysia's magic is good vs armor (many fire-based evocations deal armor-piercing damage). And Incinerate is a 99% guaranteed dead HC/cast. Jotunheim (especially Utgard) can use the Eagle Eyes/Tangle Vines to good effect very early - a Jotun spearman can kill an entangled knight with a single blow ~80% of the time.
Summons: my Favorites when dealing with HC are actually battle summons. Will o' Wispes for Abysia, and Swarm with Jotunheim.
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2. I have had problems with Abysian troops that have broken early in the battle. Cause unknown, my guess is enemy spells. What is the best way to increase morale? Priests?
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Level 3+ priests, berserk-type spells, big squads, fighting in your dominion.
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3. Research strategies, I have none yet. Blood nations should go for blood early of course, but the rest? Fire, evocation? Nature, conjuration? Death, enchantment?
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This depends on a lot of things. Obvious ones in the beginning: nation, theme, pretender, game setup (map size, site richness, VCs). Think of a global strategy, focusing on your strengths. Then adapt depending on what happens in the game (immediate or latent threats, alliances, gem income, indy mages).
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December 13th, 2004, 11:23 AM
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Re: Newbie questions
That's good advice so far, here's just a tiny addition:
In general, the answer to almost all of your questions is "it depends", but here goes:
1. Fodder + spells also helps; tie up those enemy cav with some cheap screens of militia or cheap summons (manikin, who also cause nice fatigue, or vine men, or whatever) and hit them with flares, fireballs, or missile fire.
2. Priests help against acute moral drop, but net average morale can be raised by simply having larger squads of troops. Or you can break up your troops into lots of smaller squads, knowing well that a few will route, but others will be there to take their place.
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December 13th, 2004, 11:57 AM
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Re: Newbie questions
Against cavalry I tend to create a wall of infantry, spears if possible. Slingers are cheap and can cause rout. In any case I have them HOLD and attack closest. Then I use some fast moving units (cavalry, summons, usually anything if its 4 legged or flying) which I set off to the sides with orders to attack archers or attack rearmost. If they are REAL fast (such as flyers) I might have to hold them up long enough to make sure that the enemy cavalry is going against my sword-fodder troops. You can do that by assiging them to guard a commander, and have that commander set to hold/hold/attack rearmost
You can mix in high-morale units into the same squad in order to help morale rolls. Many nations have some sort of cheap infantry that has a slight morale increase. Or use something like vinemen which are cheap to make.
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December 14th, 2004, 12:59 AM
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Re: Newbie questions
Yeah, about that heavy cavalry, they typically get one charge attack with a lance which does extra damage at the start of a battle. Let them use those Lance attacks up on fodder (units with light armor tend, predictably, to have higher defense and lower protection, which is good because the lances tend to do enough damage that armor doesn't always help).
As for spell research, it depends very much on what spellcasters you have. My preferred approach is to get one or two good combat spells first, then do research to enable a more powerful Ritual spell and/or Magic Item. Different disciplines have different payoffs. Some of my faves:
Fire: Evocation Level 2 (Fireball)--unless you're Marignon, who starts out with Holy Pyre, just as good in most situations
Water: Alteration Level 2 (Quickness), Enchantment Level 1 (Breath of Winter)
Death: Enchantment Level 3 (Raise Skeletons/Dead)
Astral: Thaumaturgy Level 2 (Mind Burn)
Earth: Construction
Different spells work well in different combos. Blood Level 2 works great for Jotunheim or Abysia, because of Frost Fiends and Devils.
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December 14th, 2004, 05:32 AM
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Re: Newbie questions
Hi, I'm a newbie too, so here's a contribution and a question. Take the contribution for what its worth.
c) The one advantage pikes or spears seem to get is ther length. That would seem to be something that could negate a favorable attack from cavalry.
q) I've been trying to figure out the small squad vs large squad idea. I've been trying the idea that by splitting my infantry into small squads, I'd minimize the routing of all the squads at once. But reading this I'm learning the part about a large squads might be harder to route. So what's the conventional wisdom about which is better. Splitting your troops out into the five or more squads that a leader or leaders can handle, or bunching the troops up into one big squad that's harder to rout?
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