Dominion spread into enemy territories?

[Foodstamp]

I was curious how dominion spread works exactly. There is a description of how it works in the game manual, but there are a few finer points I am confused about.

1) If you have a pretender starting with 10 dominion, is there any benefit to building temples?

2) What can you do to help push your dominion into provinces you do not control?

3) What are the benefits of blood sacrifices to dominion? Beyond increasing the dominion in the territory of the sacrifice, do blood sacrifices help to increase your overall dominion or help it spread to enemy territories?

thanks!

[ceremony]

1. Temples spread dominion: each temple generates one "temple check." So yes, there definitely is a benefit to building temples, even with a pretender with 10 dominion. Increasing max. dominion is just one thing temples do.

2. Build temples. Also, preach in those provinces.

3. Blood sacrifices generate one temple check for each blood slave sacrificed. Their effect is not limited to the province they are in. Consider them as building a one-turn, temporary temple in that province for dominion spread purposes, for each blood slave sacrificed.

[Taqwus]

Prophet and pretender spread dominion similar to temples; preaching only affects the priest's province, however, and most priestly commanders are non-stealthy.

Inquisitors, incidentally, are better at tearing down local enemy dominion by preaching than are normal priests; and everybody's a more effective preacher with a local temple.

Skeptics (EA Arcosephale) are stealthy and reduce dominion (anybody's) where they are; Stone Idols have a similar effect. Melancholia is one spell which reduces dominion in the targeted province. If memory serves, at least one of the Demon Lords also reduces dominion... but, IIRC, none are stealthy, so you need to control the province first.

Theoretically, a Skeptic Prophet with a Stone Idol and the Ark should be one monster dominion-shifter. There's also Wish, but that may not be the most efficient use of 100 pearls.


EDIT(addition): There's another reason to build temples -- you need one to be able to recruit sacred units or commanders.

[dirtywick]

A Juggernaut is also supposed to spread dominion like a prophet.

[Quietly]

basically, it's like this: dominion spread is proportional to your number of temples, and max dominion... so even if you dominion is maxed, it still increases ...

for example, if you have dominion 10 to start, and an active pretender, prophet, and home province temple, you spread "5" build a temple, and you spread "6" total... build 10 and you have 15 spread.

It's easier to build dominion in empty rather than enemy dominions... you can also build via preaching...




but who cares about all that! The main thing I wanted to say is this:

You guys aware that currently, you can recruit more than 10 holy troops a turn? Apparently holy is uncapped, and for every 4 temples you get an extra point of it... for instance if you start with dominion 10, and build 4 temples, you can recruit 11 holy troops... quite useful for some nations/strategies

I am pretty sure it didnt used to be this way in dom2



[edit] oh I forgot you asked about blood sacrifices... for everybody you sacrifice, it acts like that many temples were spreading.

[Graeme Dice]

Quietly said:
You guys aware that currently, you can recruit more than 10 holy troops a turn? Apparently holy is uncapped, and for every 4 temples you get an extra point of it... for instance if you start with dominion 10, and build 4 temples, you can recruit 11 holy troops... quite useful for some nations/strategies

It's every 5 temples, as your capital has its own temple, and it's been that way since dominions 2. There aren't that many nations that can take advantage of it, mostly Mictlan or Marignon who have cheap sacred troops that they can recruit everywhere.

[Agrajag]

Quietly said:
for example, if you have dominion 10 to start, and an active pretender, prophet, and home province temple, you spread "5" build a temple, and you spread "6" total... build 10 and you have 15 spread.

I'm not sure if I understand you right, but IIRC the chance of succesfully spreading dominion is based on the pretender's base dominion alone, extra temples don't increase it, just the max dominion.

[The_Tauren13]

dirtywick said:
A Juggernaut is also supposed to spread dominion like a prophet.

IIRC this didnt work in dom II. Has it been fixed? Or was I just smoking a little too much endo, and it was never broken?

[Graeme Dice]

The_Tauren13 said:
Or was I just smoking a little too much endo, and it was never broken?

It was broken, I haven't yet had a chance to test and see if it works now.

[Endoperez]

The_Tauren13 said:
IIRC this didnt work in dom II. Has it been fixed? Or was I just smoking a little too much endo, and it was never broken?

What? Are you implying that I'm not a suitable human sacrifice?! That's not very polite!