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		 Are these things worth 30 d gems? 
 
 I thought i read on here awhile back they were nerfed. They would have to be pretty awesome to be better than 3 tartarian gates(10 d gems each). 
 
 If they are not better than 3 tartarian gates, what is the point of having them as a conj 9 nationial summons for MA Ctis? 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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If they are not better than 3 tartarian gates, what is the point of having them as a conj 9 nationial summons for MA Ctis?  
			
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 Considering that Tartarians are the damn best thing in the game, how would you weigh anything else against THEM for comparison?  
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
		
		
	
	
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		No, I wouldn't say that it is worth thirty death gems since you will have to bring mage support to ensure that he can hit the SC. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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		 My point is not that they should be better than 3 tartarian gates, but they should not be conj 9. It is pointless to have a conj 9 national summon cost 3 times as much and be not as good as a 10 d gem summon any nation can get. 
 
 Maybe make them 10d gems and move them to ench 5. 
 
Considering that Tartarians are the damn best thing in the game, how would you weigh anything else against THEM for comparison?  
 
 not for my money. I will take a gorgon any day. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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		I think he means for cost effectiveness. I wouldn't pay 120 gems for a gorgon over 30 for a tartarian. (GoRed- 100 vs 10 otherwise.) 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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		Do it like Sombre does, compare them to Bog beasts. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
		
		
	
	
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		Souless are free, therefore more cost effective than tartarians. Ha. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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No, I wouldn't say that it is worth thirty death gems since you will have to bring mage support to ensure that he can hit the SC.  
			
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 I've been told the Devour Soul effect always hits (even if the bite doesn't) and it is irresistible.
 
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		The soul death effect is tagged as a secondary effect, which means that the bite must hit for it to take effect. Either you are misinformed or there is some special mechanic for the devourer. The effect is irresistible though, like you said. The devourer is not a bad unit, but it is a bit expensive. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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		try gift of reason on the devourer, equip with pendant of luck and another boosting armor / defence. 
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