nation 23

Gandalf Parker · #1 August 30th, 2007, 05:53 PM

Since Nation 23 (independents) is susceptable to random events, and is available to certain uses (such as map scenarios)...
How anyone actually tested to see what happens if spells, heroes, and new gods, are assigned to nation 23?
We discovered some great uses when the map command is used to assign provinces and castles specific to placing units there (such indept-owned castles with both inside and outside units). Im wondering if there might be some other useful hacks.

Valandil · #2 August 30th, 2007, 09:52 PM

I see no reason why independants shouldn't recieve national spells as if they were a "real" nation.

paradoxharbinger · #3 August 30th, 2007, 10:09 PM

seems to me that if they made them a nation it would be an enormous hassle to make them real special aside from the sort of special effects that other nations get (ie mictlans goofy dominion rules). to take away all of the stuff that is available for modding nations would almost defeat the purpose of making the indies a nation.

on this topic though, if the indies are truly a nation, would it not be possible to make them attack others and behave as other nations?

some dev commentary on this would be interesting.

Gandalf Parker · #4 August 30th, 2007, 10:59 PM

Actually that was in place at one time but proved to be beyond even what my level of insanity could handle. The indepts marched across the map and you ended up being attacked by an army that included everything! Cavemen, backed by amazons, with mounted knights, crossbowmen, elephants, etc etc etc. And it all happened before you got thru gathering the provinces around your castle.

But what is in the game code now is that the indepts gain certain advantages in the game, but are not quite treated like one-empire.

Im just wondering if Johan patched up ALL of the holes. Since indepts DO have a nation code, if something is assigned to it then does it show up in the game in any way? It sounds like something worth taking a hack at just in case it works. Could be useful for throwing a fun twist into things.

NTJedi · #5 August 31st, 2007, 12:10 PM

Yes it would be nice to improve the independents battlefield spells and even setup a better game blessing for the independents.
It would have been nice if a map edit command existed which allowed specific independent parties to randomly travel on the map.

Sombre · #6 August 31st, 2007, 12:50 PM

You technically can make a list of spells for nation 23, but I doubt the indies in game would use it.

What you'd have to do is first remove all the vanilla spells from the game - easy but time consuming. Then you'd remake the entire library of spells for each nation, making one version of fire flies etc for each of them and restricting it to the appropriate nation number, perhaps even calling it N11 Fire Flies, N12 Fire Flies and so on.

When you come to nation 23 you only give them certain spells. Entirely possible. IMHO a waste of time and effort though, especially as it might not even work to restrict indy spell lists. They might be working off some other spell list entirely. When I've added non nation restricted spells to the game, I have never ever seen indies cast them.