Basic tech mod?

Krsqk · #1 July 17th, 2001, 05:43 AM

Is anyone interested in a mod similar to the "grit-tech" thread below, or is everyone content just to change the appropriate settings within the game? I think someone expressed a desire for a little more variety than just that. I don't have a lot of time to devote to modding (I'm getting married in a little under 3 weeks), but I'd be glad to pass on to someone else whatever I can get done before then. So far, I've made the restrictions given for the grit-tech PBW game, but I haven't modified any of the AI to adapt to those changes (especially no racial techs). Maybe those in the PBW game can make some suggestions for modifications/balancing of techs and comps.

[ August 10, 2002, 20:17: Message edited by: Krsqk ]

Suicide Junkie · #2 July 17th, 2001, 04:46 PM

I would enjoy contributing to a Basic Tech mod.

Just say when

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geoschmo · #3 July 17th, 2001, 05:52 PM

If I had it to do over again I would probably do the grit tech using the devnull mod. It has a lot of variety in weapons, even some that fit the "grit tech" format.

If you are doing a mod for this, I suggest incorporating some of his ideas. Different kinds of missles would be nice. Some faster speed/lower damage. His pod missles are cool. Take up little space in the ship, and the expense of only being able to fire once per combat round.

Some different particle weapons. They don't even have to have diffeent abilities or damage, just something to give you a different feel, and some variety.

I would even support some low power laser weapons. It is conceivable that those would be possible in the not too distant future. I would like to see them take a lot of room and use lots of supplies. Maybe even limit them to long reload times. Anything to keep it balanced.

Geoschmo

Puke · #4 July 17th, 2001, 09:47 PM

yeah, devnull would be a good base for grit. lots of armor types, lots of missiles, more point defense types.

I will have to restart my devnull test game again so I can see if it is working on the server yet, I think it may have been fixed, but i am seeing some odd problems that might be just with that game.

Krsqk · #5 July 17th, 2001, 11:49 PM

All right, due to overwhelming demand, I'll start.

Okay, I've started. How about a little input before I make too many arbitrary opinions?

AI--What would be the best approach to this, especially since all racial techs are gone? Should there be separate design/construction/research files for each ship, or should all races use the same set?
Intel--Should this be disabled? It is buggy, and I'm not sure if all of the ops fit into the low-tech theme. (Taking over a computer-run ship 15 systems away?)
Cloaking/Stealth armor--Someone had mentioned different levels of cloaking for stealth armor, along with different levels for mines, making some mines detectable. Opinions?
System-wide facilities--Are facs that boost production/research/happiness/etc across an entire system feasible?
Scale/Balance--Would you like to see an all out slug-fest with massive ships, or should components/weapons/supplies be expensive, allowing for fewer ships/smaller fleets/shorter range. Along with this, should base maintenance be lower/higher/unchanged?
Ship size/ship yards--Is it possible to build ships of the sizes currently in SEIV? Should ships even be able to be built in space? I plan on increasing the size of ship SYs anyway to make them only available on the larger ships and bases, or maybe just on bases. Would more in-between sizes be good (i.e., courier/corvette, more fighters, etc, with different max engines/requirements)?[/list]
I'm sure I'll come up with more, but this will do for now. Looking forward to what comes out!

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Suicide Junkie · #6 July 18th, 2001, 12:59 AM

Arrgh. stupid browser ate my post.

1) I think that having all the AIs act the same would be very boring...
IMO, it would be best to have each one specialize in something different, such as missiles vs torpedoes vs slug throwers, etc.

2) Disabling all offensive intel would be good. Informational ops only, such as the census reports should be allowed.
Leave technology theft out of the list, though, since it will doubtlessly be abused.

3) Put in many levels of stealth. 10 levels would be good, for then you have to start wondering when to quit the cold-war escalation and actually research weapons & armor

Anybody who researches all 10 techs in stealth and sensors would be whooped by the unstealthy army of mass destruction some other player has equipped with WMGs and Armor 15s.

4) Yes. I could see the system-wide bonus coming from a dedicated lab, full of hardworking planners. They would design the most efficient mining tunnels for the specific terrain of each world, breed different farm plants and animals for each world, etc.
The System-wide Lab would be dedicated to that one system, and concentrate on the sun & orbital effects.
Single-planet Labs would work on the gravity, surface structure/terrain, ambient temperature effects.

5&6) I really like the propulsion system I designed for P&N v2.0 (and the AIs do decently in it too!)
By making the propulsion requirements based on mass, it pushes the optimum shp size down to LC & smaller.
Big ships can still be useful, and effective, but they are slow and expensive, so it is advisable to have many fast, expendable LCs and FGs to defend it.

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