Stug AAMG's???

[StugIII]

I see all stugs are armed whit a AAMG ingame (version 3.00). Now i have never seen or heard of this. I know stugs carried a MG-34 or MG-42 that could be sticked trough an armored plate infront of the loaders hach on the roof superstructure, but an AAMG it was not...

It could not even shoot anywhere but the front sector and for any other shooting the loader would have to remove it from the armored plate and shoot from the hip so to speak.

It's just a hole in the armor plate whit a LMG sticked trough. Better weapon to simulate it would be a LMG or BMG.

This is a good pic of one you can even see the MG's bipods extended.



Heres one showing a restored stugIII from the side:



The late model StugIII had a remote operated MG where the loader did not need to expose himself other than to reload the weapon:



The picture is showing just the remote mount and not the MG attached to it...

[Pierre]

This has already been discussed in this thread:
http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/thr...b=5&o=&fpart=1

[StugIIIAusfG]

Ok, in that other topic the guy had not seen any stug's armed whit a co-axial mg. Here is one stug whit the early mantlet armed whit a co-axial MG, but this feature was more common whit the later model saukopf mantlets.



See the hole in the upper right corner of the gun mantlet? Thats where the CMG shoot's from.
LINK: http://www.andreaslarka.net/ps531048/ps531048.html

So we could have some stug III's in the game whit a CMG.

Secondly there is speak of shielded AAMG's... And then there is talk that the mg could be attached ontop the plate to act as an AAMG?

This makes no sence since the upper attachement still is limited in fire arch and the suplied MG-34 or MG-42 LMG did not have AA sights AFAIK. Never seen a photo of it either.

What I have seen is that when the MG was attached ontop of the plate it was used to fire when the rest of the vehicle was hull down or to enable shooting in a more steep angle down. For example when shooting down from a hill or mountain top. In addition since the loader was more exposed to enemy fire in that position it was not wery safe. Never heard of it beign used for AA fire.


So my suggestions:

1. Change all stugIII AAMG's to BMG's. Or LMG's whichever is better in game code.

2. Add some late model G stug whit a CMG. They also had the loaders shield MG so two mg's for some of those late stug III G's.


Bye!

[narwan]

Such a change has a disadvantage that's bigger than the 'ailment' cured, IMO. When a unit is 'buttoned', the aamg becomes inoperable as no one is outside the vehicle to fire it. So changing these machineguns to another type would keep them operative when the Stug is buttoned.

So either option would have an 'unrealistic' side effect. I think the current setup is the best of the two options.

[StugIIIAusfG]

narwan said:
Such a change has a disadvantage that's bigger than the 'ailment' cured, IMO. When a unit is 'buttoned', the aamg becomes inoperable as no one is outside the vehicle to fire it. So changing these machineguns to another type would keep them operative when the Stug is buttoned.

So either option would have an 'unrealistic' side effect. I think the current setup is the best of the two options.

Fair enough.

However whatabout the late model StugIII's whit the remote mount? Those were usable when the vehicle is buttoned up. The remote mount was implemented from spring 1944 onwards...

[cbo]

I dont now what is actually in the game currently, as I dont play much these days, but with regards to what weaponry was carried in StuGs aside from the main gun, I suggest the following:

1. Ausf. A - D: These do not appear to have carried any machinegun, but had mountings for two submachineguns on the rear bulkhead in the fighting compartment.

2. Starting with Ausf. E, which was produced from September 1941, they carried a loose MG34 and 7 drum-magazines.

3. Ausf. Gs produced from December 1942 got the folding MG shield in front of the loaders position. The shield had two mounts for the MG34. One in the hole in the shield for fire against ground targets, another one on top of the shield for use against aircraft. It allowed the gun to be pointed skywards, but could only cover the forward arch (and would probably have been pretty useless against aircraft).

4. Beginning April 1944, the shield was being replaced by the remote-control mount, allowing the gun to be fired by the loader from cover. The limited anti-aircraft capability was lost, but the gun was now in a fixed mount and was aimed by a periscope with 3x enlargement.

5. Beginning June 1944 for vehicles with the welded gun-mantlet and October 1944 for vehicles with the cast gun-mantlet, a coax-MG was added.

cbo