Question Can you only have one instance of certain summons?

JonBrave · #1 September 16th, 2012, 07:37 AM

As per, are (some) summons "single instance" (if so, how do you know)?

I just summoned a second "Eater of The Dead" (in same province as first one, if that matters). It happily took my gems, but says "Noone answered the spell", and I have just my original EoTD in existence. Or, is it a chance thing, regardless of instances?

Redeyes · #2 September 16th, 2012, 07:59 AM

There's a few spells like this, but most give you one of a few possible summons. If another player manages to summon a being before you you can't get it.

There's 3 elemental queens of water and 3 of air. There's 2 kings of earth and 2 of fire. You can also summon Anthrax, the banefire king, with death, and the earth king Father Illearth with blood.

Some blood summons also work like this, there's 6 Ice Devils, 5 Arch Devils, 4 Heliophagus, and 4 Demon Lords.

You can get one of 6 Spenta when using Call Amesha Spenta. Hinnom can get one of 6 different Grigori when using Release Lord of Civilization. Mictlan can get one of 4 Tlaloques when using Summon Tlaloque. C'tis can summon the Devourer of Souls. Sauromatia and La Pythium can summon the Daughter of Typhoon.

I think that's all for Vanilla, but mods can add more. CBM adds a few (three for Agharta summoned with Open the Seal. One with the fire ritual "Quest for the Firebird", although I think that one might use a somewhat different mechanic).

Soyweiser · #3 September 16th, 2012, 12:54 PM

That seems to be a rather complete list Redeyes. Good work. CBM firebird is also unique. No special mechanics iirc.

Redeyes · #4 September 16th, 2012, 12:57 PM

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That seems to be a rather complete list Redeyes. Good work. CBM firebird is also unique. No special mechanics iirc.

Well, it gets a different name every time it's summoned. I assumed it was some odd constraint with modding and perhaps not wanting to use a nametype just for it.

Soyweiser · #5 September 16th, 2012, 01:12 PM

That is probably just the lack of a nametype.

(That is also what makes modding hero units harder).

JonBrave · #6 September 16th, 2012, 02:18 PM

Any specifics for my EoTD? (It's CBM if that makes any diff.)

Anaconda · #7 September 16th, 2012, 03:01 PM

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Any specifics for my EoTD? (It's CBM if that makes any diff.)

I understood Eater is an unique creature. Only one can exist at the time.

JonBrave · #8 September 16th, 2012, 03:20 PM

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Any specifics for my EoTD? (It's CBM if that makes any diff.)

I understood Eater is an unique creature. Only one can exist at the time.

Thank you. (Shame it still takes my gems then!)
Is this information stored in a file (text editor, tool needed?), or would this be hard-coded?

Anaconda · #9 September 16th, 2012, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by JonBrave

Any specifics for my EoTD? (It's CBM if that makes any diff.)

I understood Eater is an unique creature. Only one can exist at the time.

Thank you. (Shame it still takes my gems then!)
Is this information stored in a file (text editor, tool needed?), or would this be hard-coded?

I just draw conclusions based on the flavor text and the fact you cant summon more than one (iirc). I think these matters are "case sensitive"?

Valerius · #10 September 16th, 2012, 03:37 PM

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Any specifics for my EoTD? (It's CBM if that makes any diff.)

I understood Eater is an unique creature. Only one can exist at the time.

The eater of the dead has multiple forms. Its initial form is unit 994 and the game checks to see if that unit exists. If it does, then casting the spell again will fail. Once the eater grows in power and shifts to unit 995 then you can successfully cast the spell again since the game will not find that unit 994 already exists.