Vampires?

[Amos]

Whats the deal with vampires? Without ethereality they are completely useless. I fought with 50 vamps against 50 regular undead and there is no contest. I lost badly. I lost about 2 vamps to 1 skeleton.

[Quietly]

I agree they are pretty rediculously bad now

[Taqwus]

Life drain doesn't help nearly as much when fighting undead.

[Amos]

I'm going to mod ethereality for vampires back. They weren't great at the best of times but now...

[Nerfix]

I'd rather put them 1 or 2 research tiers lower in the game.

[Meglobob]

Have vampires ever been really strong?

I have had no dealings as yet with them in Dom3, but in Dom 2 I had vampire lord takes over a province, random event. A vampire lord + 20 vamps + a horde of undead. Scared the hell out of me, but when I attacked with a army of national troops, playing Machaka at the time, my Black sorcerors, priests and spider mounts wiped them out real easy...

A long way from my AD&D roleplaying days, when we use to abandon the adventure and run away at even the hint of a vampire. 1 level life drain...shudder...

[Nerfix]

Vampires really aren't the problem, Vampire Queens are.

[Amos]

Any idea why ethereality was removed from an already weak creature?

[Nerfix]

Because Vampire Queens fit the Vampire template and ethearility on her was overpowered. Also, she could spawn ethereal life-draining flying monsters much easier than some nations could summon them or counters to them.

I don't mind Vampires getting their Ethereality removed, they however should have made them far less up in the research tree.

[WraithLord]

I like them better with ethereality, and I think VQ could have kept hers as well together with having her cost raised some more.