Mod: Conceptual Balance 1.21

[cleveland]

Do you agree?

[vfb]

I agree! In Fallacy and Testament I was the only one to send a champion, and it was only AI nations that thwarted my plans to snag some gold. (You do get a bit of gold too, right, don't you?)

In both cases I sent a diseased crippled commander. Got chopped up by the god of the monkeys in Testament, and a lousy assassin stabbed me in Fallacy.

I think the trident would be used more if it was one-handed. It's the loss of the shield that kills it for me.

I've tried using the Wraith Sword (from Bogus) on thugs, but it just doesn't steal enough life to keep them alive, and again there's the problem of giving up the shield.

[Kuritza]

???????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

CARRION WOODS AS A 0-LEVEL SPELL???!!!
What kind of madness is THAT?
And, damnit, Wild Hunt still a 5-level... A spell do decimate expensive mage-priests, or AT LEAST stalemate the enemy forcing him to assign best troops as bodyguards (and even that wont help most of the time) - as a FIFTH LEVEL?
I've used it against Mictlan, I had it used against me as Tien Chi, heck, its quite powerful for a 9th level spell.

Oh my God, Carrion Woods as a 0-level spell.... what have I signed myself for!...

P.S.
Malaya Druzhina with composite bows. Good job, the only real damage dealing melee is now useless too. Slavic heavy cavalry didnt use bows, they were charging whith lances and swords. And slavic foot archers used composite bows as well. But oh well...

[Sombre]

Uh,.. I think you're hugely overrating wild hunt and carrion woods there. They kinda suck. Wild Hunt does very little to the overall game to help you and pisses people off so they attack you, for instance.

[Kuritza]

Tell that to mictlan and marverni, who were losing their expensive druids and capitol-only priests of whatever (sometimes with magic boosters for forging or sanguine rods for hunting) each turn to my Wild Hunt. Did it suck? For them, probably. Mictlan lost without even giving me a single fight - with Wild hunt, constant Earth attacks and ghost raiders I denied him blood hunting.
As for carrion woods, it DOUBLES Pangaea's already endless hordes of chaff, making them even more capable of dealing with thugs and armored guys.

[Sombre]

You could have inflicted far more damage using the gems/global slot/mage time/research elsewhere, is my feeling. If I had wild hunt cast against me I'd mostly ignore it, maybe toss some bodyguards on some high loss commanders.

I'm not very experienced with Carrion Woods but to me it seems like a weaker version of the non national spell. Haunted Woods is it?

[Kuritza]

I could?
Well, would you ignore the fact 2-3 of your 400-gold mages die each turn? Seems to be a sure way to sound defeat if you ask me. And I needed that research anyway, for ghost raiders. Now for the gems invested, you tell me what would be a better investment, seeing how this spell was killing several expensive mages each turn.
Carrion woods, AFAIK, turn each killed maenad into a manikin with sleep wines. One of my friends was playing against a Pangaea with this enchantment up - maenads were killing his Tartarians. Is that not good enough? Now imagine that on turn 10, when you have no Tartarians.

[Agrajag]

Aren't you confusing Carrion Woods with Haunted Forest?

[Endoperez]

Carrion Woods creates the nation-spesific animal-manikin. It turns Pangaea into Ermor-lite, with dominion transforming population into freespawn.

[Sir_Dr_D]

In my 'question Of balance' game I created a pretender build in order to cast Carrion Woods. Doing so is pricy. Not only do you need a Prentender that has both nature and death, you need a high dominion, and a life scale in order to make the spell effective. In order to make this build, I had to give up blessed centaurs. But we will see if the spell is overpowered at level 0 or not. But at level 0 it does make Pangaea a lot more interesting to play.