Magic Items under CBM

[vfb]

Nerfing the brands is going to suck for raiding nations, like Eriu. But Eriu is OP anyway, right?

[thejeff]

If you dropped the weapon damage, but left the AE damage the same it wouldn't make much difference against chaff/PD, but would weaken it against thugs/elites. That shouldn't hurt the raiders too much.

[Mardagg]

Originally Posted by thejeff

If you dropped the weapon damage, but left the AE damage the same it wouldn't make much difference against chaff/PD, but would weaken it against thugs/elites. That shouldn't hurt the raiders too much.

exactly.

[Micah]

Originally Posted by Mardagg

exactly.

No. This would hurt them plenty, as it cuts down their options against enemy thugs and SCs, the glam nations have very low strength scores on their raiders and need good, cheap weapons. This is where they ALREADY have trouble in games, raiding and killing PD isn't the issue.

[Sombre]

That seems more like an argument to boost 2H weapons as cheap anti thug equipment.

[Mardagg]

Originally Posted by Sombre

That seems more like an argument to boost 2H weapons as cheap anti thug equipment.

exactly

[Sir_Dr_D]

I like what is being said here. Make the brands do less base damage, and keep them tailored for chaff destroying. Make two handed weapons better against thugs.

This will add more depth as you try to guess what your opponent will be equipping their thugs with. It will become more important to have different types of thugs around, and use different thugs for different tasks.

[Sir_Dr_D]

I want to add, that I love what has been done to the midget masher in CBM. It has definate uses and weaknesses. This makes it an interesting weapon. We need to find ways to make some of the other rarely used weapons just as fun.

[Mardagg]

Originally Posted by Sir_Dr_D

We need to find ways to make some of the other rarely used weapons just as fun.

Absolutely right.
We got a very nice base of thematically interesting melee items atm,but most are only of minor use or just plain useless.
I really think,that maybe changing half a dozen 2h weapons and 2-3 1h weapons would be enough already,to make for a much more interesting and fun game,all while being more balanced,too.
Later you could maybe even add 1 or 2 new items.
Thats not much work to do!

[Psycho]

Originally Posted by Trumanator

Really? I almost universally prefer the Eye Shield, since even if you run into an unexpected thug it means you have a good chance of killing it.

Definitely. Vine shield is better against chaff, better against elite units as you can't get swarmed easily and better against thugs, since eye shield requires a MR check which a thug will often pass, but if he gets tangles by vines you get a free hit, which can be enough to kill him.

It's also better than gold shield, since it doesn't have problems with bersekers and undead. And charcoal and lucky coin are rarely used - you need units that can survive being swarmed to use them. Vine shield is the goto shield.