"A Song of Ice and Fire", veterans-only game, MA. In progress, midgame... - Page 18

PriestyMan · #**171** August 3rd, 2010, 08:08 PM

well here's my 2cents.

Honestly i felt pretty bad about ganging on baalz because i know it happens to him in almost *every* game.

first let me explain why i attacked him. I was obviously looking for a war about now, so i started looking for allies. i heard from several players that vanheim/ermor/shin had all allied up and had started to work together to conquer the world. seeing baalz + the two strongest nations in the game all teamed up is scary. baalz happened to be the only one i bordered with. also, who else is fighting you besides me and nief? BL skirmished a little, but obviously ermor is their new problem. pangea hasn't attacked yet right?

In all honesty, this game for me, is one where all of the players should have a lot of fun. playing with players we respect. i don't want to make one of the most valuable players i know feel dissallusioned with the game. I honestly have no problem with rolling back to shin being not ai, and simply not attacking him. its more about fun than winning for me.

i know how baalz feels in a way, having been ganged then not finished myself. its happened many times to me. it sucks. the only thing i should say to baalz, is that Dr.P is right in regards to diplo. i never got a pm from you at least. you might have been able to point me towards nief instead.

Squirrelloid · #**172** August 3rd, 2010, 08:35 PM

I was the first to attack him! After he seriously gimped my expansion. Was not able to press as hard as some others, and certain... realities... made continuing the war wholesale kind of inadvisable. (To start with, pretender to the face kind of hurt).

DrPraetorious · #**173** August 3rd, 2010, 10:18 PM

I do think, next time we do an all-vets game, that we should do wrap-around, or start in a circle around the edge, or something.

The all-veteran makeup of the game magnifies the unfairness of starting in the middle - in a mixed-and-matched game, veterans in the middle will have more neighbors, but more choices of "soft targets" to compensate (admittedly, newbies in the middle are completely screwed.)

In an all-vets game, starting in the middle has zero upside.

Baalz · #**174** August 3rd, 2010, 10:33 PM

No worries man, it's just a game. It's easy to say push diplo, but all that seems to accomplish is a bunch of simultaneous NAP cancellations (if I'm lucky) once the dogpiling starts (or NAP violations if I'm not lucky). Very much not disparaging anyone in this game, just explaining my recent history and frustration. Bribing people off from a position of getting steamrolled doesn't leave a lot of negotiating power.

Anyway, Shin is doomed, I definitely don't recommend a rollback. As I pointed out it shouldn't be unbalancing for the rest of the game as there's just not that much spoils once you split it between everyone attacking me.

Squirrelloid · #**175** August 4th, 2010, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by DrPraetorious

I do think, next time we do an all-vets game, that we should do wrap-around, or start in a circle around the edge, or something.

The all-veteran makeup of the game magnifies the unfairness of starting in the middle - in a mixed-and-matched game, veterans in the middle will have more neighbors, but more choices of "soft targets" to compensate (admittedly, newbies in the middle are completely screwed.)

In an all-vets game, starting in the middle has zero upside.

Definitely agree in the wrap-around part. My position is so bad...

Corwin · #**176** August 4th, 2010, 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Squirrelloid

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Originally Posted by DrPraetorious

I do think, next time we do an all-vets game, that we should do wrap-around, or start in a circle around the edge, or something.

The all-veteran makeup of the game magnifies the unfairness of starting in the middle - in a mixed-and-matched game, veterans in the middle will have more neighbors, but more choices of "soft targets" to compensate (admittedly, newbies in the middle are completely screwed.)

In an all-vets game, starting in the middle has zero upside.

Definitely agree in the wrap-around part. My position is so bad...

Yes, I think wraparound is a good suggestion for the next vet game. I admit I do feel sorry for Baalz, after hearing his backstory, and I understand his frustration. Although I still think that this was certainly not the best way to handle the situation.

I am also thinking about having all players for the next veterans-only game I will be orginizing (if I will be orginizing it at all) to swear on the blood of their firstborns that they will *not* quit the game no matter what. At least not until they have 1 province left and no army to harm an enemy. Seriously, the upside of getting dogpiled and steamrolled is that you don't have to spend much time on the turns, since your options are shrinking quickly. As Baalz has explained well in his good players pledge.

Valerius · #**177** August 4th, 2010, 01:26 AM

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I would have subbed for Baalz.

Apologies for jumping into a game thread like this, but I've come back to Dom 3 recently after a single MP game in 2008, which included Baalz, as well as Jazzepi.

As well as being a lot of fun, the game was a good lesson on what constitutes taking a dogpiling well, and badly. I'm happy to say Baalz was a very good sport on both ends of the hurled bratwurst.

Welcome back, Meursy. Just wanted to second what you said as I was not only the fourth (or fifth?) person to dogpile Baalz in that game (he was in the middle of Parganos - what fun!) but to add insult to injury I was following his Eriu guide when I airdropped my Sidhe Lords on his provinces.

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In all honesty, this game for me, is one where all of the players should have a lot of fun. playing with players we respect.

Well said!

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Originally Posted by PriestyMan

i know how baalz feels in a way, having been ganged then not finished myself. its happened many times to me. it sucks.

But the sad thing is it pays off. Moderate and occasionally large gains at relatively small risk. And unlike a closely fought war you still have most of your strength intact in case someone gets an idea of taking advantage. Then you just have avoid being the next victim of the dogpile...

Meursy · #**178** August 4th, 2010, 02:14 AM

Hi there again Valerius, thanks for the welcome and the fun game!

And yeah, I forgot to mention that too, but in the 2008 game and the current MP game I'm in, I was following one of Baalz's guides, and I know that at least one other player in the game I'm currently in is too! Don't underestimate the Baalz Effect, word gets around...

Executor · #**179** August 4th, 2010, 06:04 AM

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Originally Posted by PriestyMan

i heard from several players that vanheim/ermor/shin had all allied up and had started to work together to conquer the world. seeing baalz + the two strongest nations in the game all teamed up is scary.

Ermor was not aware that we had an alliance with the nations of Shinyama and Vanheim, we are joyed to hear this, and equally saddened that our newly found ally has fallen, surely if we had known we were allied, we would have aided them, alas.

And those who should conspire against us, be wary of Ermors wrath! for it shall be great...

Lingchih · #**180** August 5th, 2010, 01:30 AM

Baalz. That was lame... in the extreme. Sorry, I don't journey to this forum much anymore, but good god man!. You could have fought! I had not even declared war on you. And probably would never have. You had only two nations actively fighting you.

Methinks the Baalz good player pledge is no more. Anarchy for everyone now!