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Ragnarok · #51 February 26th, 2003, 11:57 PM

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Umm... no. There are tons of things the Bible says happened and will happen that did not ever happen.

Give me 1 example.

Aloofi · #52 February 26th, 2003, 11:58 PM

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Because if you look into the Bible you will see that everything that it has said will happen, has indeed happened. There's not a single thing that was fortold in the Bible that didn't come true. So this being the case, why would any question the content in it?
I'm not going to argue the facts with you simply because I realize that I believe what I believe, and you believe what you believe.

Are you familiar with the term of "Post-Diction" as opouse to pre-diction?

Fyron · #53 February 26th, 2003, 11:59 PM

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Originally posted by Ragnarok:

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Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
Umm... no. There are tons of things the Bible says happened and will happen that did not ever happen.

Give me 1 example.

Give me examples of supposedly accurate predictions the Bible made. You made the claim that it has made accurate predictions, yet you have not defended that at all. The burden of proof currently rests on you.

(I edited the Last post, so you may have missed the edit, by the way.)

[ February 26, 2003, 21:59: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

Aloofi · #54 February 27th, 2003, 12:03 AM

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Originally posted by Ragnarok:
[Give me 1 example.

From the new testament: "There will not remain any stone of this temple"

Last time i check the Western Wall (wailing wall) was still there.

Ragnarok · #55 February 27th, 2003, 12:06 AM

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Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:

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Originally posted by Ragnarok:

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Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
Umm... no. There are tons of things the Bible says happened and will happen that did not ever happen.

Give me 1 example.
Give me examples of supposedly accurate predictions the Bible made. You made the claim that it has made accurate predictions, yet you have not defended that at all. The burden of proof currently rests on you.

(I edited the Last post, so you may have missed the edit, by the way.)

Yup, I missed the edit.
And I don't just "blindly" accept what the Bible says. I didn't just read the Bible and say, "hey, this sounds good, I'm going to believe this." I had to prove to myself that what I was reading was correct. I did, and still do, much study and research in order to continue proving to myself that what I believe is in fact the truth.

I can give you lots of examples.
Just to list a couple:
When man believe that the world was flat, the Bible clearly stated it was round. (Not a issue of prediction but showing how if man would have looked into the Bible before thinking the world was flat, they would've realized it wasn't.)

It was foretold that Jerusalem would be destroyed in one night by the Babylon army, those that survived would be carried off into exile for 70 years and then return to their homeland to restore their city. This in fact did happen.

It was foretold that the Messiah (Jesus) would come through the line of David. If you look at Jesus' liniage you will find that he did indeed come through the line of David.

These are but a few examples to back up what I'm saying. I shift the burden of proof over to you.

Aloofi, I am very much aware of "Post-dition" and "pre-diction," and the Bible is not a book of post-diction. It was written well over 2000 years ago and has not been changed one bit.

Ragnarok · #56 February 27th, 2003, 12:08 AM

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Originally posted by Ragnarok:
[Give me 1 example.

From the new testament: "There will not remain any stone of this temple"

Last time i check the Western Wall (wailing wall) was still there.

If you study that verse a bit more, you'll come to see that you are taking that verse a bit too literally.
You will also see that the meaning of the verse indicates that the city will be completely and utterly destroyed.

[ February 26, 2003, 22:09: Message edited by: Ragnarok ]

Aloofi · #57 February 27th, 2003, 12:13 AM

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Aloofi, I am very much aware of "Post-dition" and "pre-diction," and the Bible is not a book of post-diction. It was written well over 2000 years ago and has not been changed one bit.

Nah, that guy didn't come from King David, since genealogy back them was kept only through males and if he is not the son of a man.......

None of the "predictions" of the new testament have ever ocurred. Not even one.

Ragnarok · #58 February 27th, 2003, 12:16 AM

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Originally posted by Ragnarok:
Aloofi, I am very much aware of "Post-dition" and "pre-diction," and the Bible is not a book of post-diction. It was written well over 2000 years ago and has not been changed one bit.

Nah, that guy didn't come from King David, since genealogy back them was kept only through males and if he is not the son of a man.......

None of the "predictions" of the new testament have ever ocurred. Not even one.

You are correct in saying he is not the son of man. God put the embryo(sp?) into his mother Mary. His adoptive father (Joseph) was through the line of David. Thus, he could be said to have come thorugh the line of King David.

Ragnarok · #59 February 27th, 2003, 12:18 AM

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None of the "predictions" of the new testament have ever ocurred. Not even one.

By your saying that, is basically saying that proven secular history did not even happen. The fall of Babylon for example.

Fyron · #60 February 27th, 2003, 12:21 AM

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When man believe that the world was flat, the Bible clearly stated it was round. (Not a issue of prediction but showing how if man would have looked into the Bible before thinking the world was flat, they would've realized it wasn't.)

Actually, a lot of people did believe that the earth was round long before the Bible was ever written.

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It was foretold that the Messiah (Jesus) would come through the line of David. If you look at Jesus' liniage you will find that he did indeed come through the line of David.

Ok. Now you are taken what is written in the Bible as proof of the Bible's validity. That is a huge logical fallacy.

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It was foretold that Jerusalem would be destroyed in one night by the Babylon army, those that survived would be carried off into exile for 70 years and then return to their homeland to restore their city. This in fact did happen

Babylon fell into ruin milennia before the Bible was written. How could a Babylonian army sack a city after Babylon is gone?

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Aloofi, I am very much aware of "Post-dition" and "pre-diction," and the Bible is not a book of post-diction. It was written well over 2000 years ago and has not been changed one bit.

Sure it has. Books are always changed at least a little bit in translations, whether it is intentional or not.

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If you study that verse a bit more, you'll come to see that you are taking that verse a bit too literally.
You will also see that the meaning of the verse indicates that the city will be completely and utterly destroyed.

So now you alter what the Bible means to fit in with the facts of what happened later. Very good evidence, if you ask me.

Randomly varying interpretations of the Bible can not be used to say whether it is right nor not.

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You are correct in saying he is not the son of man. God put the embryo(sp?) into his mother Mary. His adoptive father (Joseph) was through the line of David. Thus, he could be said to have come thorugh the line of King David.

Well... in the Reality that the rest of us live in, that doesn't happen. Everyone has a human father and human mother. Some guy named Jesus most likely lived, but Joseph was either his biological father, or someone that Mary cheated with is his biological father. Immaculate conception is 100% impossible, and you are using flawed evidence to support flawed claims. Another logical fallacy.

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None of the "predictions" of the new testament have ever ocurred. Not even one.
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By your saying that, is basically saying that proven secular history did not even happen. The fall of Babylon for example.

No it doesn't. There is no basis of comparison between the two things.

[ February 26, 2003, 22:30: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]