SE4 Rating System

[Asmala]

K.O.T.H. Lord Chane vs Asmala will be rated game.

Hey this is the 100th message in this thread

[geoschmo]

Originally posted by Slynky:
...what do you think would be easiest for all concerned?

How hard would it be to add a little message board to your website? If that's too hard I could set you up a forum on PBW. People could start a new thread whenever they want to join, or start a rating game, or post results. Or maybe Fyron could setup up a special forum for you on his site. His forum works a little better I think. Then you could link to whichever forum from your webpage.

Geoschmo

[Slynky]

Originally posted by geoschmo:

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Originally posted by Slynky:
...what do you think would be easiest for all concerned?

How hard would it be to add a little message board to your website? If that's too hard I could set you up a forum on PBW. People could start a new thread whenever they want to join, or start a rating game, or post results. Or maybe Fyron could setup up a special forum for you on his site. His forum works a little better I think. Then you could link to whichever forum from your webpage.

Geoschmo

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Not sure which is easiest. This board seems to be the "center of the universe"... .

It's easy to insert a board or forum into the site...done it before in a Mechwarrior site I had. The downside, I think, is that each person would have to register (on yet another forum) and check it regularly. Don't want to cause that kind of additional trouble. Also, keeping this forum the "center of the universe" (which it already is as far as SE4 is concerned... ), would seem to serve as an ongoing "advertisement".

I was looking for the easiest way for a person to indicate their desire to have their game be rated. KOTH, one of the most active threads, seems to do well with posting all the requests to take a break from the game as well as wins and losses. Perhaps this thread could serve the same purpose.

What I DON'T want is having to find game Ratings request and reports of wins and losses to be in various other threads...too easy to miss something.

And, wondering if requiring the loser to report is the only way to go...meaning that taking a report of a victory by the victor standing as a "report" unless contested by the loser. But, I'd hate to set up a situation where there might be a controversy. Given the KOTH people, I can pretty much assume good sports all around. But one can't count on that behavior forever.

[geoschmo]

The biggest problem I could see from the winner reporting is in the case of a larger game where there might be months between when a particular person gets eliminated and when the eventual winner is decided. Not sure that's a huge deal though.

Something else that occured to me while reading the rules. Is there not some way this rating system could be modified to allow for team victories? Perhaps averaging the Ratings of the team winners and then splitting the resulting points between them. Maybe even a prorated split based on their comaprative rankings. Does that make sense?

[Slynky]

Originally posted by geoschmo:
The biggest problem I could see from the winner reporting is in the case of a larger game where there might be months between when a particular person gets eliminated and when the eventual winner is decided. Not sure that's a huge deal though.

Something else that occured to me while reading the rules. Is there not some way this rating system could be modified to allow for team victories? Perhaps averaging the Ratings of the team winners and then splitting the resulting points between them. Maybe even a prorated split based on their comaprative rankings. Does that make sense?

It makes sense. Not sure the best way to go about it but what you said makes sense. After all, when people are working together for a victory, they all share in the rewards.

On the other hand, sometimes, teams are made later in the game when people are seeking to suck up, so to speak... .

Nevertheless, though, there is some advantage to teamwork and all of it counting toward a victory for all. Perhaps special games like that from the beginning, like the "Pairs" game?

So, if something like that happened, what if a guy with a rating of 1200 teamed with a guy who had a rating of 900? If I averaged the rating of the team (1050) and computed Ratings, would the person rated high be upset? Also, since the formula is based on individual comparisons, would a "team" rating skew things the wrong way?

Finally, would the players be willing to agree to this? Maybe lower-rated players would be willing agree to that but would higher-rated players agree? For example, in the Challenge Match you and several of us started a while back...Asmala is the dominant empire...and I know he is a great player but, (for example), I offered advice, produced the most research, and "sat in the back seat" helping him be so strong. NOT to take away from his playing ability but, would he be willing to "average" his rating with mine (and Lord Chane's) for some sort of team rating computation?

[geoschmo]

Ok, putting aside for the moment the discussion of team wins, how will you calculate the points for games with more then 2 players? Say we have a three player game. How many points does the winner get? Does the second place person get any points? I read the rules but don't see anything about this.

[Gozra]

You can assign a rating as individual, team, and pairs, or rather rate a player in each catagory. I for one would like to know how a player rates in team play. Keep up the good work guys.
Gozguy

[Slynky]

[I tried to post this earlier but my connection was down]

Originally posted by geoschmo:
Ok, putting aside for the moment the discussion of team wins, how will you calculate the points for games with more then 2 players? Say we have a three player game. How many points does the winner get? Does the second place person get any points? I read the rules but don't see anything about this.

Perhaps I didn't state it clearly but this is what I had in mind on the way it will work in a multi-player game:

Four people are in a multi-player game who are being rated. Players A B C and D.

Player D is the first person put out of the game. Remember, if the game consists of 8 players, for Ratings purposes, only player A B C and D matter. So, player D is first out of the rated players. I take that information and compute his rating against the other players (A B and C). Player D loses to player A B and C. I post those new Ratings for everyone. Player A B and C may still be playing but that's no problem. When the next (rated) player is elliminated (say, player C), I will compute the following: his loss against player A and B. Remember, his point gain from beating player D has already been computed. As has player A and C. This approximates a chess tourney as best as possible. Which is what the whole Ratings system is based upon.

The only problem is getting people to let me know in a multi-player game that someone has been eliminated. Even then, if reported after the game has finished completely and the finishing places are reported, I will compute the results in the sequence as I have described. In other words, given all the finishing places at the conclusion of the game, I will compute the scores from the loser on up. So, in the above example, if the players win in order of their name, A B C and D, then I will compute the Ratings for player D first, then the Ratings for player C, and so on.

Does that make sense?

[Slynky]

Originally posted by Asmala:
K.O.T.H. Lord Chane vs Asmala will be rated game.

Hey this is the 100th message in this thread

I've added the game to the Ratings list. I'll need some confirmation from Lord Chane.

= 1,000th message...

[Slynky]

Originally posted by geoschmo:

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Originally posted by Slynky:
Note: I added the "SE4 Ratings Game I" to the list though it's not be verified by Geo. I'm assuming Geo intends it to be rated by virtue of joining such a game with such a name ( ). I do prefer acknowledgement by both players to avoid any problems when the game has been resolved. But I trust Geo to be an honorable player and NOT say later that he never agreed in a message.

Sorry, I always forget to notify you. But yes I do intend it to be rated. And Bbgemont does as well as that was the precondition I set for whomever wanted to join the game against me.

Geoschmo

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No need to apologize. It seems to be a common ailment... .

I want to make it as easy for people as possible and perhaps emailing me from the site is a few extra clicks to go through. What do you think about adding an email link in my siggy line, Geo? Seems a lot of people want to use this thread for notification...I could accept notification here and in an email (and therefore have a confirmation to use should anyone say they never agreed to have a certain game rated).

Also, the rules say the losing player should report the loss but I've been accepting any results posted here. What do you think would be easiest, Geo? After all, you're good at organizational things like this...what do you think would be easiest for all concerned?