Real World Philospohy

[Fyron]

Umm... that is not proof in any shape of the word... circular logic at best...

[Taera]

it is, actually

[narf poit chez BOOM]

Your proved it yourselfs by asking me to prove it.

ok, maybe i just need more sleep. but i fail to see how asking you to prove a point amounts to even circular logic, which at least backs itself up.

[Atrocities]

Originally posted by narf poit chez BOOM:
i'm happy. it's better than sad. why bother?

i truly don't see the need. any way you slice it, happy IS better than sad. i know i can't prove it in any more than a 'feel good' way, but he can't prove his on a 'feel bad' way, simply because he'd have to prove why that'd be better. so as far as i can see, the burden of proof is with him.

First off I am not passing judgement. I have no right to do so and would never attempt to do so. I am discussing philospohical concepts and nothing more. I can prove what I say to be true, but no one here would want to read such a dark and depressing post. Read further for a taste of what I could post.

Keep in mind that philosophy is often a depressing and mood ruining experience.

I never sad feeling sad is better, I said that
"Happiness is an illusion of an imprisonned mind trying to make the best of a hopeless situation."

"The illusion of happiness never Lasts. It is created by the mind as it attempts to escape from the imprisonment of its own misery." - Depression 101

By its very nature happiness is a rare and short lived phenominon. For every thing that makes you happy, there is three things that make you sad.

If you are happy, truly happy, and can see nothing wrong with the world around you as nothing in it effects your happy mood, then your sanity is in question.

IE if nothing makes you sad, and you are always in a state of happiness then how do you know what unhappiness is? True happiness is not a Lasting emotion. A person who says they are always happy and never find any reason to be unhappy are hiding from something.

It is easier to be in a good mood and have faith when your comfortable and have money, but when you have nothing, and every day brings more and more bad news, and bad luck, faith and happiness are things that come in short supply.

I ask you to consider what true Lasting happiness really is? Prove that happiness is Lasting and I will concede to your philosphy, otherwise, I chose to follow my own path as I know the truth about my life, and the world that I live in. And unfortunetly that world is not always a happy place.

But if I could make it one, I would.

[ November 25, 2003, 03:45: Message edited by: Atrocities ]

[Atrocities]

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
Umm... that is not proof in any shape of the word... circular logic at best...

A free mind should have no problem with this concept. Circular logic is still logic, and my point is still valid. Proof you asked for and proof you gave yourself. I don't need to say a thing. You'll eventually figure it out on your own.

[narf poit chez BOOM]

ok, well, i'm not always happy. but i can have joy, even during the bad times. why? because i know that everything is right with the universe at large. things will either get better or get cleaned up. right always wins in the end, and any reason for sadness will pass. that's something you don't seem to understand, even from your own philosophy. if you view happiness as a brief period between periods of sadness, then couldn't sadness be veiwed as brief periods between happiness?

oh, and i didn't think you where trying to put anybody down.

and that whole 'you'll eventually figure it out on your own?' invalid in a debat.

[ November 25, 2003, 03:54: Message edited by: narf poit chez BOOM ]

[Phoenix-D]

Originally posted by Atrocities:

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Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
Umm... that is not proof in any shape of the word... circular logic at best...

A free mind should have no problem with this concept. Circular logic is still logic, and my point is still valid. Proof you asked for and proof you gave yourself. I don't need to say a thing. You'll eventually figure it out on your own.

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Circular logic is logic but not valid logic. Proof must stand on its own, or it is no longer proof.

[Atrocities]

Proof is only valid if those who requested it accept it as such. Otherwise no proof is valid.

Ask an insane person, somone that is truly insane, if they are insane, and they will tell you; "No I am fine." They have no concept of insanity. To them they are normal.

A mind that truly belives it is free can not grasp the concept that it is not free. It will ask for proof, even though the proof that it is seeking has already been provided by asking the question itself.

"Am I insane"? If you can ask the question then your open to the possiblity that the answer might be yes, or even no. An insane person will never ask if s/he is insane, because to them there is no question, the very concept of insanity is unthinkable.

Ask yourself if your mind is truly free. By asking such a question, you acknowledge that your mind is open and therefore knows that the possablity that it is not actually free my in fact be the answer. A mind free of unhappiness and incapbled of experiencing any other emotion would not want to accept any emotion other than happiness. A mind that knows that it is not free from saddness understands that happiness is a tempory emotion that is a pleasent part of life. It knows that life has its ups and downs and that it will experience from time to time complete joy and utter despair. Our minds are only truly free when we realize that such freedom does not come free from cost.

[ November 25, 2003, 04:24: Message edited by: Atrocities ]

[narf poit chez BOOM]

oh, 'free from sadness, or other emotions'. no, that isn't the type of freedom i talk of. the type of freedom i talk of is the freedom to choose what i value, what i try to feel, to do and be. and most importantly, who i worship. i suspect that even God feels sadness, but i also beleive that, if so, that sadness is drowned out in the joy of his children. because no amount of sadness can match one instant of happiness. how could it? sadness is a negative emotion. -3,000,000 is less than 1.

i do beleive, however, that i can acheive freedom from evil emotions. i have a theory that each emotion has a good Version and a bad Version and that, with enough practice, a person can only feel one.

[ November 25, 2003, 04:16: Message edited by: narf poit chez BOOM ]

[Atrocities]

Narf, you are truly an inspiring person to know. I like the way you think.