Do you like Klingons?

[narf poit chez BOOM]

yeah, so, see? 2,000 years and the vulcan's should have come up with the federation. in fact, given that vulcan's(ignoring some horrible changes in later series) don't lie, they'd have a much better chance of making a federation than some unknown. granted, the presence of vulcan as one of the founding member's would help the humans, but...2,000 years...and nothing to show for it. yeah, right.

[Fyron]

The horrible binding to logic and divorce from all emotion that the Vulcans has causes them to not be very ingenius or creative and to be unwilling to take risks, basically because endangering yourself is illogical. Various vulcans have stated stuff like that in various series.

[ January 02, 2004, 19:13: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

[narf poit chez BOOM]

however, Spock has shown himself willing to take calculated risks. granted, Spock is a special case.

but that still doesn't address 2,000 years of nothing.

[Fyron]

Spock was half human.

[narf poit chez BOOM]

Spock was half human.

granted, Spock is a special case.

now, can we stop repeating?

[ January 02, 2004, 19:27: Message edited by: narf poit chez BOOM ]

[Atrocities]

The thing to keep in mind is that the Vulcan, according fan lor and cannon, were war like until they adopted the way of surek. After that they all just got along. They enjoyed their new found logic and way of life, and developed a holly than though attitude toward races that reminded them of who they once were. Kinda like how you are better than the loosers in your family.

In Enterprise the capitolized upon this.

[PvK]

Maybe we really are in a low-budget universe designed for easy comprehension by the lowest common denomenator audience. When we find alien races in space, maybe they will almost all be bipedal humanoids who speak English (but without indefinite articles).

Incidentally, when Gene Rod. did get a script in TOS, it tended to have some really awful elements. For example, the TOS episode where the turning point is when Kirk finds an old flag of the underground movement on the alien planet, and sees that it just happens to coincidentally be exactly like a flag of the USA. Naturally, this also goes hand-in-hand with them having come up with the same words as some of America's Founding Fathers, which he recites. Yep. Total coincidence. USA as universal truth and goodness. Yep.

Yep.

Yep yep yep.

PvK

[narf poit chez BOOM]

The thing to keep in mind is that the Vulcan, according fan lor and cannon, were war like until they adopted the way of surek. After that they all just got along. They enjoyed their new found logic and way of life, and developed a holly than though attitude toward races that reminded them of who they once were. Kinda like how you are better than the loosers in your family.

In Enterprise the capitolized upon this.

i'd put it another way. the vulcan race's culture got butured reapetadly and contineusly because some of the writer's couldn't stand the thought of a race that's smarter, stronger and faster than humans. mind you, i think all races would be equal. but they've slowing been making them less.

[Gryphin]

:: Passes narf a wedge of room temp brie

[Atrocities]

Back in the day, I don't think that would have played into it, but in TNG that could well be true.