Intergalactic Civil War !!?? - Page 14

chewy027 · #**131** April 16th, 2001, 08:36 PM

Well couldn't you at least tell the AI to attack the system capital?

raynor · #**132** April 16th, 2001, 10:28 PM

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Originally posted by chewy027:
Well couldn't you at least tell the AI to attack the system capital?

No... this would require some pretty complex enhancements to the AI. It seems like the AI only sends its attack fleets to contested systems with(without?) enemy colonies in them. These systems become contested systems because they are adjacent to other AI systems. I don't think the AI knows how to attack enemy systems that aren't contested. In fact, I've seen AI empires send ships *through* my system to get to some mustering point without stopping to attack completely undefended planets.

Before you tell the AI to attack a system far removed from its borders, a logical first step would be to teach it to attack nearby enemy systems that aren't yet claimed/contested. Once you do that, then you can think about teaching it to assign them different values and attack the ones that are worth more strategically. After that, you could think about teaching the AI to use resupply ships/bases to explore a level further (in terms of warp points) and assign strategic values to those systems as well. Eventually, you might be able to show the AI how to assign a strategic value to every enemy system and determine which enemy should receive the brunt of the attack based upon strategic value. Then, and only then, you might be able to tell the AI that the capital has a very great value. Even still, it would be somewhat complicated telling the AI that one enemy homeworld four defended warp points away is a better target than a mineral rich system belonging to the same or a different enemy just one undefended warp jump away.

Hope that helps you understand where I'm coming from.

Daynarr · #**133** April 16th, 2001, 11:33 PM

quote:
Originally posted by raynor:
No... this would require some pretty complex enhancements to the AI. It seems like the AI only sends its attack fleets to contested systems with(without?) enemy colonies in them. These systems become contested systems because they are adjacent to other AI systems. I don't think the AI knows how to attack enemy systems that aren't contested. In fact, I've seen AI empires send ships *through* my system to get to some mustering point without stopping to attack completely undefended planets.

Before you tell the AI to attack a system far removed from its borders, a logical first step would be to teach it to attack nearby enemy systems that aren't yet claimed/contested. Once you do that, then you can think about teaching it to assign them different values and attack the ones that are worth more strategically. After that, you could think about teaching the AI to use resupply ships/bases to explore a level further (in terms of warp points) and assign strategic values to those systems as well. Eventually, you might be able to show the AI how to assign a strategic value to every enemy system and determine which enemy should receive the brunt of the attack based upon strategic value. Then, and only then, you might be able to tell the AI that the capital has a very great value. Even still, it would be somewhat complicated telling the AI that one enemy homeworld four defended warp points away is a better target than a mineral rich system belonging to the same or a different enemy just one undefended warp jump away.

Hope that helps you understand where I'm coming from.

And after doing all that Aaron would probably win a Nobel price.

chewy027 · #**134** April 17th, 2001, 04:45 AM

OK I see your point. So obviously a patch possibility is ruled out. But what about an expansion? Would this be feasible for that?

Trachmyr · #**135** April 17th, 2001, 07:17 AM

Personally, I don't see why losing a Homeworld is likly to start a civil war! Ok, happiness might drop... and the nation would either be demoralized or Pi$$ed off... either way they would do it as a whole. Maybe I'm missing something, but just because civ did it... dosen't mean that it was right/realistic. If you want some special event for a conquered Homeword, the the AI should immediatly check to see if it surrenders... otherwise it's anger should go through the roof!

chewy027 · #**136** April 17th, 2001, 06:47 PM

OK Trachmyr. I could see your point if your talking about a civilized nation. But lets take an African country for example. If ther seat of govt would be destroyed suddenly, who knows how many rebel Groups would pop up and try to claim control. Now take that concept and put it in space. If a center of govt 20 million lightyears away is destroyed don't you think the outlying colonies or even the core worlds would have rebelling factions that arise? In my opinion tht is the way it would be. They'd want to break off and start their own empire. And the more planets that join them the better chance they have. Thus a civil war would break out.

Thoughts?

Nitram Draw · #**137** April 17th, 2001, 07:01 PM

Please excuse me if this has been suggested before but this thread is getting real long and I'm getting lazy in my old age.
Perhaps there should be an intermediate step before civil war, a period of civil disorder. If the conditions for civil war are met then all of a specific systems planets begin to riot. If after a random period of time, say sometime between 1 and 2 years, the rioting isn't stopped then the system rebels. If this could be implemented then at least you would have some warning of a rebellion.
If possible all positive happiness modifiers should be negated during the civil disobedience time except those caused by troops and ships.

chewy027 · #**138** April 17th, 2001, 07:50 PM

I like it but maybe instead of 1 to 2 years have it as 5 turns or .5 years. Even so if the Homeworld is captured or destroyed there would be immediate war. But that could work for the happiness trigger.

dmm · #**139** April 17th, 2001, 08:39 PM

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Originally posted by chewy027:
OK Trachmyr. I could see your point if your talking about a civilized nation. But lets take an African country for example ... Thoughts?

Here's a thought: I think you just offended an entire continent-worth of people.

mac5732 · #**140** April 17th, 2001, 09:09 PM

Nitram Draw , earlier in thread it was suggested that levels would be added to go from Rioting to complete civil disobedience and then to insurrection. The longer a planet was in insurrection the more chance of rebellion and etc.

DMM , in regards to ruthless govt's, the happiness is based on each individual Race's racial traits similiar to present game. I.E. some races would drop due to treaties, others would not, some drop due to war or losing battles, others don't, and so on, losing your home world & govt. center would have a large effect on your pop. Maybe we should change to word happiness to
racial attitudes, therefore even with a ditatorship type govt. specific events would still trigger attitude changes among the pop to the point where they want to over throw the govt and install a new one, & the longer the attitude remains at that or a lower level
the higher the chance of revolt.

just some ideas Mac

PS. (chewy congrats on your promotion) mac