Demo is out - Page 8

Saber Cherry · #71 October 28th, 2003, 08:32 AM

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Originally posted by atul:
Well, it seems I have exactly the same problem. And it isn't solved that easily. You see, ATI doesn't support their mobile family, because laptops are too customised, as they say on their web pages. And the Fujitsu-Siemens (my laptop is from their product line) has Last driver update from 2002. And that seems to be the only one that works...

(sorry for the grammar errors and not being clear enough, just came from bar. And why I was in a bar on monday - don't ask)

Why don't you try downloading the Catalyst 3.8 (which is supposed to support the whole Radeon family)? Try installing it, and if it works, great... otherwise, it should detect during installation that it does not support your chip, and refuse to install. Worst case scenario, you have to go into safe mode to reinstall the 2002 drivers.

Pocus · #72 October 28th, 2003, 08:33 AM

what really p... me is that at work I have a windows 2000 station with an old nvidia vanta card, and without any update it manage to run at 14 fps. Thats too injust

Pocus · #73 October 28th, 2003, 08:34 AM

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Originally posted by Saber Cherry:

quote:
Originally posted by atul:
Well, it seems I have exactly the same problem. And it isn't solved that easily. You see, ATI doesn't support their mobile family, because laptops are too customised, as they say on their web pages. And the Fujitsu-Siemens (my laptop is from their product line) has Last driver update from 2002. And that seems to be the only one that works...

(sorry for the grammar errors and not being clear enough, just came from bar. And why I was in a bar on monday - don't ask)

Why don't you try downloading the Catalyst 3.8 (which is supposed to support the whole Radeon family)? Try installing it, and if it works, great... otherwise, it should detect during installation that it does not support your chip, and refuse to install. Worst case scenario, you have to go into safe mode to reinstall the 2002 drivers.

been there done that. The catalyst will tell you that it dont support your video card (the mobility sub family of radeon family). We are not that simple to not have tried...

Saber Cherry · #74 October 28th, 2003, 08:39 AM

The other possibility is to find other laptop makers that aren't lazy bums, and actually support their products... find one with a Mobility 9000... and try their drivers, if they are more recent. When I had an Ensoniq sound card, I used drivers from various places... and with my Gateway Riva 128, I used Dell drivers once, and it worked fine...

Mostly, I think ATI is protecting itself legally, and any drivers will work with any Mobility 9000. But, I've never had a laptop.

Pocus · #75 October 28th, 2003, 09:08 AM

not a bad idea, worth the try anyway.

--- launching a pack of sleuths thru the internet

Pocus · #76 October 28th, 2003, 12:58 PM

it worked! I fetched a generic (laptop related I mean) driver for mobility radeon

omegacorner.com

posting in a brand new thread for those which have the problem!

Thank Saber for pointing me on this solution. I will offer you a brand new wakisashi.

Saber Cherry · #77 October 28th, 2003, 05:13 PM

I am grateful for your generous offer, but actually it is very dangerous to be near me when I'm armed so you'd have to send it in the mail, and then make sure the delivery person left it on my porch rather than handing me the box. Bladed weapons just bring out that killer instinct, you know...

Jasper · #78 October 28th, 2003, 08:00 PM

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Originally posted by Tim Brooks:
Hi Guys. There will not be a release of the manual. We sell the manual as part of the product. If we release it electronically it just makes the pirates lives easier.

Sorry.

I can understand why you're not giving it away, but I hope you consider some sort of streamlined "quick start" rules, so that people aren't simply overwhelmed by what this complex game. This is even turning off some of the normally hardcore gamers on usenet...

All you'd need would be some brief blurbs walking new players through getting a game started, and their initial first moves. A stock tutorial would do the trick.

Gandalf Parker · #79 October 28th, 2003, 08:16 PM

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Originally posted by Jasper:

quote:
Originally posted by Tim Brooks:
Hi Guys. There will not be a release of the manual. We sell the manual as part of the product. If we release it electronically it just makes the pirates lives easier.

Sorry.

I can understand why you're not giving it away, but I hope you consider some sort of streamlined "quick start" rules, so that people aren't simply overwhelmed by what this complex game. This is even turning off some of the normally hardcore gamers on usenet...

All you'd need would be some brief blurbs walking new players through getting a game started, and their initial first moves. A stock tutorial would do the trick.

There is that quick start PDF in the doc directory of the demo but its awfully bare-bones. Plus Im not a big fan of having such a small file be a PDF.

I think that alot of complaints could be cut off if there were default gods made and provided, plus a game in progress. That way if they start on the wrong button (not the Create God button) they still have a choice there and can get in to look.

The default game might be an Ulm player on simple settings. Slight learning curve on that one.

Pocus · #80 October 28th, 2003, 08:33 PM

quite right. A quick start less meager, perhaps 4-5 pages, along with default gods (can be made in half an hour), and a sample Ulm game would do much for newbie friendliness.

All these cant be detrimental to the game, and can be wrapped in 4 hours max. Good return to investment I would say.