Crush my enemies and drive them before me

[Saber Cherry]

Originally posted by Zen:
TC has poor repellers, they have no long weapons in which to repel with or fight against repellers,

Yeah, aside from their glaives and pikes...

Let me change that by saying "Heavily Armored Repellers".

Glaives leave me wanting, even though they do good damage. Mostly because they get massacred by arrowfire and can only repel normal spear length and lower (4 and under). Though I don't have the latest Version of the Combat Sim or I'd do a series of tests.

[ January 22, 2004, 03:44: Message edited by: Zen ]

[Saber Cherry]

Originally posted by Zen:
Let me change that by saying "Heavily Armored Repellers".

Glaives leave me wanting, even though they do good damage. Mostly because they get massacred by arrowfire and can only repel normal spear length and lower (4 and under). Though I don't have the latest Version of the Combat Sim or I'd do a series of tests.

Oh, the combat sim has repeatedly shown Glaives to be terrible. I think it is the worst weapon.

In terms of badness of normal weapons, it was something like:

(worst)
fist
glaive
halberd
maul
machaka spear
axe
hammer
(almost decent)
...

Note that 1-h weapons get a big bonus, and halberd beats glaive simply because it is cheaper. This is somewhat arbitrary... but don't use any of those weapons unless you have to.

..and glaive is length 4, so it cannot repel spears.

[ January 22, 2004, 04:22: Message edited by: Saber Cherry ]

Machaka Spear is rated that low?

WTF? I've had nothing but success with it on Machakan hoplites. Maybe it's the combination of the Hide Shield and the unit that makes it decent.

That is to say I've never actually used the Lord of the Desert Sun to fight anything, either.

Edit: Isn't it the longer the weapon they can repel weapons below it's length? Or is it differen't. I can't remember exactly the thread that had the repel issues. But if a Glaive is Length 4 and a Spear is Length 3, I'd think it would repel it. Unless Spears are special.

[ January 22, 2004, 04:25: Message edited by: Zen ]

[Saber Cherry]

Originally posted by Zen:
But if a Glaive is Length 4 and a Spear is Length 3, I'd think it would repel it. Unless Spears are special.

...spears are length 4. Machaka Hoplites have excellent shields; their spears are terrible. A normal spear or longspear is better (though the longspear is pretty bad too).

Must have just been one of those things. Ah well.

I'm still trying to figure out how the:

Machaka Spear 5, -1, -1, 5

is worse than the

Spear 3, 0, 0, 4

If you put them both on the same stat units (as opposed to the fantastic hoplites), does the Machaka Spear lose?

[Saber Cherry]

Originally posted by Zen:
Must have just been one of those things. Ah well.

I'm still trying to figure out how the:

Machaka Spear 5, -1, -1, 5

is worse than the

Spear 3, 0, 0, 4

If you put them both on the same stat units (as opposed to the fantastic hoplites), does the Machaka Spear lose?

Yes. Try it in the sim! There are some times when the machaka spear is better (against low-morale, heavy-armor, low-attack, low-defense units with length 4 weapons) but that rarely occurs. Possibly machaka spear would be better against armored soulless warriors.

It's weird but true. Good thing the only thing with the Machaka Spear is on the very hip Machaka Hoplites which are very gravytrain and have naturally higher Morale and Defense.

Either way, my statement still stands. TC sucks at repelling. Their Pikemen have such icky morale (10) and defense (8) and armor, that they die by the truckloads. Stay away from them.

Though in this light you may want to try using the TC Tower Shield and Spear Infantry instead of the Falchion. But I have never in my experience had it make a notable difference.

[ January 22, 2004, 05:03: Message edited by: Zen ]

[Unwise]

Where is this fabled "sim"? I haven't seen it on any of the sites linked to Illwinter.

[Saber Cherry]

Originally posted by Unwise:
Where is this fabled "sim"? I haven't seen it on any of the sites linked to Illwinter.

http://www.shrapnelgames.com/cgi-bin...=000677#000000