So how 'bout those Mets?

I'd have to say if Norfleet was cheating he either A.) Didn't give much credit to the people he was playing (considering his paranoia I'd not bet on this) or B.) Didn't care (that follows in with a conversation I had with him previous). Since it was such an obvious and easily trackable game that he was 'caught' in, on another's server, without hidden access to the game files, master password enabled, score graphs enabled, and others. If he really wanted to keep any sort of cheating on the down low, it would be uncommonly stupid to do it in an extreme that was not reasonably explainable with file proof.

Take it for what it's worth, but I doubt this 'situation' occured without cooperation from the perpetrator.

[Zapmeister]

Considering this is coming from someone who 'Banned' Norfleet months ago, I would have to venture a guess that your mind was made up long before any 'proof' or 'hard work' was given.

I deny that. I am not a witch-hunter, but I am prepared to accept what I regard as damning evidence when it's presented. Even if I don't like the person that's presenting it (which I do) or do like the person it's damning (which I admit I don't).

well, i believe zapmeister has actually played games w/ norfleet, unlike some others.

So have alot of others, though you may not care to consider that.

Also, if one cheats in one game, that must mean you cheat in every game from your very beginning to the very end, yes? Or more appropriately, if one has cheated, that means he has always cheated regardless of game(s)?

I'm not saying that he couldn't/wouldn't. But I doubt it could be said for every, *single* game.

Well certainly you feel the need to give accolades to something that is only circumstancial evidence. KO gave a breakdown, which is very damning in and of itself but could hardly be construed as 'irrefutable proof' especially considering that it hasn't been found out how to do it.

Until a way is found out how this is accomplished and can be understood I am more concerned with it's impact and not that it was done. Once it can be found out how to do it, either Gem Stockpile or Magic Item placement and then it could be said that /these are the weaknesses in the cheat prevention code/ and /with these weaknesses X is possible/ then I will say irrefutably that X = Cheating. And go from there.

If it's found that there is no sane way in which something like this could happen, or happen with only one parties participation I am not prepared to place full blame and furious witch hunting on any one individual.

[archaeolept]

I've played many games w/ norfleet. Unlike some who talk, I have experience of it. I have no vendetta against him, and actually have some fondness for him, but these apparent excesses are not new. your speculation that he set himself up to be caught, or something like it, is tenuous at best. perhaps he got overconfident, or bored, or took a calculated risk; or, most likely, to my eyes, could not not do it.

I've played games with him too, one under this name and a few under other names. Does that mean I can say that his clamhoarding and castling tactics are more/less abusive because I've seen them firsthand with/without cheating? Or does that mean that all those arguements from people who felt things overpowered are no longer valid at all because of the perpetuator was cheating and thus any arguements against him/them are tainted by cheating?

[archaeolept]

or course the previous arguments, which were based in the real experience of their effects, are tainted. to what degree is impossible to determine, however. But we made these arguments based on direct observation.

now, as to games you've played w/ norfleet, I can not say. The first MP game i was ever in you and norfleet were as well; however, I do not believe you directly encountered him during the duration of that blitz.

[Zapmeister]

One has to ask why he didn't forward his own .trn file to Illwinter, supporting his case for innocence and scoring an incredible coup against Stormbinder.

His actual behaviour was to mutter something about implausible events outside his control, withdraw from all games and disappear.

Circumstantial? Perhaps. But damning nonetheless.

If he could not, not do it, as an obsession, I could see that maybe happening. Though from a logical perspective such a thing would more than likely be done in minute degrees in order to avoid detection from other players if he intended any serious sort of cheating.

For some reason, Calculated Risk doesn't seem fit when you consider the sheer numbers presented and their unfeasibility of explaining if one gets caught. Though it could be certain that overconfidance could play a part.

Days and days ago I Norfleet spoke to me in IRC saying he was tired of Dom2 and the drama/etc (During the entire Stormbinder v Norfleet Deathmatch or whatever it was during planning . I couldn't tell you which turn it was in that particular game but it says to me if you are tired of a game, and are not playing or don't intend to play or intend to play with another persona, you wouldn't care if you were caught cheating or not in that kind of circumstance. At least in my experience that is the case.

As for Norfleet not sending in his turn or 'defending himself' whatever conclusions you come up with are yours, there could be any number of reasons based on your own perspective, but the common consent is it didn't provide a majorly positive reaction.