Poll: morale and routing

[Arryn]

deccan said:
*Shrug* It's just a matter of personal taste and preference. I might as well complain why so many people buy David Eddings crap when they could be reading George R.R. Martin's "A Song of Ice and Fire".

I have all the books by both authors. Eddings is, for the most part, boring, but he's not a *bad* author, unlike some I could mention. But, given a choice, I'd much rather read Martin. I sincerely doubt you'll find anyone that rates Eddings better than Martin, except perhaps an ignorant child somewhere. But if you're waiting on Martin's next work, there's nothing wrong with some mindless entertainment by Eddings.

[Graeme Dice]

Huzurdaddi said:
And in practice it turns out to be totally insufficient. There is a reason why there is a mad dash for the powerful SC's and it is not becuase people like to use 4 or 5 of them in a battle to cover each other's backs.

That's how I use them. I've had several battles where I only won against the opponent's national troops and mages because I had 5 ice devils, a heliophagi, and a moloch all present, along with 80 or so devils and 50 lava warriors. Put that up against 3 Tuatha, 40-50 Daoine Sidhe, two sea kings with robes of the sea and water bracelets, plus about 10 elementals. Without my normal troops, that battle would have been a walkover for Man, as SCs with heavy armour can't deal with large numbers of elementals.

[Graeme Dice]

Boron said:
if anyone thinks he could win playing atlantis against any other nation against a player with about the same skill level in a standard 50% magic sites / normal research game then i will be (perhaps) quiet.

I'd be quite happy to play such a game. Atlantis isn't a weak nation, since kings of the deep give them incredible flexibility.

[Kel]

Hehe, seems like it wasn't that long ago when everyone thought clamming was over-powered and Atlantis was a prime clamming candidate...

- Kel

[Huzurdaddi]

as SCs with heavy armour can't deal with large numbers of elementals.

Note that elementals are one of the few ( only ? ) troops that can take on SC's. If you take them out of the battle the rest of his impressive army would have been destroyed by one of your ice devils ( assuming it was well equipped, and assuming no artifacts).

I've actually never tried to make an SC which is specifically tailored to take on elementals. I would figure that I would have to emphasize defence over prot. Perhaps an ice devil with a blood thorn, a shield of the accursed, a flame helmet or perhaps a starshine, Chainmail of displacement, a lucky coin and something for resistances could take them out. He would have a very high defence value. Sadly I don't have a save game handy to test this out. But I would figure that with a decent starting icedevil, let's say Oriax, he could slaughter the whole bunch. Of course the problem is that he would have elemental resistance problems, but you can't have everything. But with ice devils and many others you can come close.

It hurts me to say that the normal troops are a total non-factor since Daoine Sidhe are perhaps the best recruitable troop in the game on a cost adjusted basis. I really like those guys. I wish that they would be a factor in this battle.

[Graeme Dice]

Huzurdaddi said:
If you take them out of the battle the rest of his impressive army would have been destroyed by one of your ice devils ( assuming it was well equipped, and assuming no artifacts).

One ice devil would not have taken out that army. The only survivors were the commanders, and the ice devils had a great deal of trouble even hitting the sidhe.

[Huzurdaddi]

The only survivors

Makes sense. We all know that SC's rule the day and *sadly* troops ( including summoned troops ) become chaff.

and the ice devils had a great deal of trouble even hitting the sidhe.

Come now. Perhaps you should define "a great deal" perhaps with a top flight bless effect and 2 stars of xp an ice devil should be hitting right around 50% of the time, depending upon item loadout. Given what you are saying ( that they commanders stayed behind after all of the troops were dead ) I have to assume that the ice devils went beserk so I'm going to guess that they had hellswords if which case they should hit more in the 80% range ( could even be greater, but there are so many variables I'll leave it up to the reader to figure out the exact percentage ).

[deccan]

Boron said:
hint : this other game is really age of wonders 2 shadow magic
give it a try

Perhaps I will the next time I get out of the Solomons. The thing is that when Dom2 came out, everyone was saying like it was everything AoW should have been but wasn't so I gave it a miss.

It occurs to me that I buy games a lot based on recommendations on forums like this one. I bought Dom2 because PvK plugged it on the SEIV forum. I bought SEIV because someone (I forgot who, someone who used to be a regular of the SEIV forum) plugged it on Infogrammes' MOO3 forum. And I bought MOO3 on the strength of MOO1 and MOO2 alone. What a mistake that was.

[deccan]

Boron said:
no matter which system is included in dominions 3 i buy it anyways 100% sure .

When Dom3 comes around, I really hope that the developers refrain from a more of the same approach. Personally, I'd to see the developers tinker around with some more interesting mechanics, of which upkeep for summons and continual rituals, is only one example.

The idea is that Dom3 ought to be separate game and that even once Dom3 is out, people will still continue to enjoy playing Dom2.

[Boron]

deccan said:

Perhaps I will the next time I get out of the Solomons. The thing is that when Dom2 came out, everyone was saying like it was everything AoW should have been but wasn't so I gave it a miss.

It occurs to me that I buy games a lot based on recommendations on forums like this one. I bought Dom2 because PvK plugged it on the SEIV forum. I bought SEIV because someone (I forgot who, someone who used to be a regular of the SEIV forum) plugged it on Infogrammes' MOO3 forum. And I bought MOO3 on the strength of MOO1 and MOO2 alone. What a mistake that was.

yeah i bought dominions 2 because someone on the eu 2 board told me and i just downloaded demo and was addicted
i don't trust any pc testing magazines or softcore gamers anymore

age of wonders is like a more balanced but a less deep dominions with upkeep for everything (expect heroes but you can only have 0-5 of them depending which setting you chose in options when starting a new game ).

dominions is not imbalanced mages + scs are quite well balanced within each other and most nations / themes have a fair chance to win .
of the about 30 themes/nations 20 have fair chances but about 10 are sligthly inferior .
in sp you can play all but in mp you shouldn't chose the inferior ones

i did what you described with warcraft 3 because of my liking for starcraft .
but warcraft 3 is such a bad game .
until warcraft 3 i loved blizzard . it was my favourite game developer company .
since warcraft 3 i hate them lol .
i won't buy anything with warcraft in its name in future .