Mod Project, request from resume of ideas.

[Nagot Gick Fel]

Cohen said:a plague or anything else in your capitol will cripple your holy troops production forever.

No it won't. Resources are not affected by loss of population, as long as you have at least 1K.

Yes I belong to the SC Pretender School.

Then you're a masochist. "Cohen, [...], The Enemy of the SC and all the overpowered and unbalanced things".

[Huzurdaddi]

This is strange I can't follow it.

Cohen plays Abysia most of the time in MP and strangely he wants to improve their power dramatically.

Cohen plays with a Virtue most of the time and he strangely wants to improve the power of the Virtue.

I think I'm detecting a trend. I don't know.

Abysia is an excellent nation right now. Blood is simply awesome. Let me repeat: awesome. The only other real blood nation in the world Mictlain pays dearly for the ability to blood hunt. Abysia does not. They have a decent military and can blood hunt. No wonder many consider them in the top 5 nations.

Yes this is the nation that needs vastly lower costs to "compete."

I'll wait for Zen's mod, thanks.

[Cohen]

My signature is pretty old.
Sadly I've to adapt myself on the gaming trend and rules. Without SC and Overpowered stuff you can't win.

Lately I'm playing too Arcoshepale, Pythium, Man, Caelum, Vanheim and Marignon, you're not such informed Huzurdaddy.
In fact to balance more a nation it's better if I know it.
I'd add the modify to Growth scale penalize Abysya on the other side, because it was usual for Aby playing with death-3 since Aby doesn't suffer from gold penalty ... but now there's bigger pop death (or growth in case of growth).
With the modify to drain life weapon Abysya will have more difficulties too to keep up all Demons Online with usual SC equip.

[PDF]

Hi again,
I repeat that I don't see any issue with either DB or Warlocks : those guys are tough, and their use is forging, rituals and army support (more for DB than W). They are capitol only, and expensive, fine. Using them for research or hunting is a waste...
The only problem I see with Aby is that the Warlock *Apprentice* are capitol only, and as they are needed for research and hunt Aby usually must sacrifice one for the other to a point I don't think is balanced - usually Aby *has* to find a Library to keep its research on a correct level. I remind a game I've won with Aby but my research was abysmal just because I did'nt manage to have a single Library on my continent !
Apart from that Aby don't need any boost IMHO ... Ppl should rather turn their attention to those poor TC and Ulm (standard theme) !

[Cohen]

I'd agree with you PDF, but making Warlock App. non capitol only, and Anth.Dragon capitol only would probably advantage Abysya a lot, giving it a 2B blood hunter everywhere, probably beating too Blood of Humans or Mictlan blood hunt (even if they ost 150 they can go without the Rod of Sang.Douzing) so you can forgo construction for this purposal.

The fact now Ant.Salamanders are 150 gold is to help a little in research, at least they have 2 paths for research and doesn't cost 200 gold each.

Ulm Default and IF troops have been boosted, same as commanders of same type.
Some Tien Chi troops (the elites, Imperial stuff, Red Guard, and Prince General) too, and Eunuchs gives a supply bonus (it's a sort of non-violent pillage in name of the Emperor of Tien Chi).

[Cainehill]

Cohen said:
Some Tien Chi ... Eunuchs gives a supply bonus (it's a sort of non-violent pillage in name of the Emperor of Tien Chi).

Non-violent pillage supply bonus? Sounds like cannibalism to me. "Who wants a piece of this nice plump roasted Eunuch?"

[Tuidjy]

Cohen, you are wasting your time. The author of a balance mod has to be
universally trusted. Zen may be. You, on the other hand...

If you had been paying attention, you would have noticed that even Zen
takes care in changing mostly things that should affect all nations
equally, and is very careful not to greatly disturb the existing balance.

As for you, you go ahead and boost a nation that most good players consider
at least better than average, create a pretender with a level four path, etc...

I would not play your mod. I remember shaking my head in wonder at your
'Supercombatants: a dime the dozen' mod. Or at your signature, for that
matter. Go and try to offer some valuable input in Zen's thread. That
is within your abilities. A balance mod is not. Not that I object to
your wasting your time, but you are syphoning Posts that deserve to be read.

[Cohen]

To Cainehill: I wanted to give Eunuch a sort of usefulness. As burocrath the best thing he's able to do is to harrass peasants with taxes and such, in that case, he requisite food for a "superior" cause.

Tuidji: I personally believe there isn't existing balance for many causes. That I'm changing in my mod. I won't explain there my modifies, but I didn't expected anything else from you, since you're only able to play with Air AbUser Nations and clams.

[Tuidjy]

Cohen said:Tuidji: I personally believe there isn't existing balance for many causes. That I'm changing in my mod.

I know that you believe that there is no balance, but very few people agree with
your changes. Which means that no one will use the mod. Which means that this
thread is a waste, and the valuable comments would be better posted in Zen's
thread, because his mod deserves to be made canon.

I won't explain there my modifies,

Then this mod will remain nothing but a vanity project. Not that it deserves
anything better, mind you.

but I didn't expected anything else from you, since you're only able to play with Air AbUser Nations and clams.

Funny, I thought I have beaten you with Black Forest Ulm before. But then
again, I did destroy your devil army with some indie air mages, so yes, I can't
play the game without abusing air magic. And I guess I abused clams in that
game too, because I certainly had exactly eight. And was raiding, stealth
preaching, mad castling, and chain-summoning vampires... I am such an
abuser, indeed.

So, if I understand you correctly, you are challenging me to beat you without
using an air nation (there go Man, Vanheim, Caelum, Pythium, Arco, Marignon) and
without using clams. Just to be on the safe side, I will forgo the clammers
(bye, bye Atlantis, R'lyeh, T'ien Ch'i), the devil/vampire hoarders (so long
Mictan, Ulm, Abysia, Jotunheim). Excuse, me, I forgot, is death magic
overpowered this week? Because if it is, I cannot use Ermor and C'tis either.
And Petrify is overpowered because there is no resisting it. So I guess no
Pangea, because you know, with them earth mages, I could actually get to it.

So, you want me to play Machaka? Mountain citadel and human pretenders, of
course, can't have madcastling and SCs? No problem.

Only... what are you going to play? There is nothing left! And here I was,
thinking that Dominion II is a varied, complex and above all fun game.
I want my money back, Illwinter! That's four copies you tricked me
into buying, before Saint Cohen made me see the light!

[Cohen]

I never challenged you.
In that game I was attacked from Caelum Ulm and Vanheim.

My mod will balance certain stuff, like Wrathful Skies, False Horror, and the Storm Staff. Not much more from air.
Will balance clams too.

Petrify, no. It's E5. If a nation can get it, it's because it deserves it.
Deathmagic has SC summons, but with Drain Life weapons changed probably it will be another matter.

Vampire Lords too have been changed, they can't no longer summon allies. If you want to have common vampires, use the normal spell. It costs slaves, that could be employed in another way.