ArcoBlood Mod Finished

[The_Tauren13]

Arryn said:
Holy (or unholy) power should derive from a nation's dominion strength (not its max candle height, but the sum total of all its candles).

Thats an interesting idea. I heard (read, actually) somewhere that there will be (un)holy gems in Dom III. Maybe your (un)holy gem income could be directly proportional to your total dominion...

[BigDaddy]

Scott Hebert said:
Y'know, anyone who can say Blood magic deals with life sickens me.
(snip)

That sickens you? Blood of the LIVING/DYING is used to fuel the power of the spell, which implyies that the loss of LIFE is used as fuel. Therefore LIFE powers blood magic. I never inteded that is wasn't inherently EVIL. Nor did I intend that it was good.

The term UNHOLY implies something unclean or evil. Perhaps because unlife is unnatural. Whether or not it is EVIL is moot (moot means arguable by the way, look it up!).

HOLY implies a direct opposite of UNHOLY and should therefore counter it. It does also counter blood to some minor extent. Therefore, blood magic is also unnatural or unclean. Whether or not it is EVIL is moot. You see? It's philosophy, to defend unholy is to defend blood.

Edited to include:
Moot - subject for debate

[BigDaddy]

BigDaddy said:

... Blood of the LIVING/DYING is used to fuel the power of the spell, which implyies that the loss of LIFE is used as fuel. Therefore LIFE powers blood magic. I never inteded that is wasn't inherently EVIL. Nor did I intend that it was good.

Oh come on now BigDaddy! Isn't killing people about DEATH?

I propose that all blood and death priests have UNHOLY.

[BigDaddy]

Hey Hey theres, no reason to get mad BigDaddy, we're all friends here. It was my intent that Blood of the LIVING was used to cast the spell. With death as an unfotunate consequence. Otherwise we wouldn't use up bloodslaves.

(argument continues)

I support any combination that is thematically defensible (or even defended for that matter)!

[Huzurdaddi]

About the mod:

I like the mod since I love blood nations. And this makes for a 1st rate blood nation. Really 1st rate.

[BigDaddy]

I agree. Now if only reinvigorate worked properly.

And I support a mod to make all death and blood priests unholy. I just wish you could do it with random books. . . Pythium really needs 25% of its arch theurgs churning out Longdead horsemen!

[Kristoffer O]

Initially we didn't intend for good and evil, holy and unholy to be in the game. Evil is in the eye of the beholder.

Unholy was added as an ad hoc solution to the fact that holy priests were more or less useless to undead priests of Ermor (dom1). At that time bless effects etc was handled a bit differently and most of ermors troops didn't have morale. Preaching was also something we imagined the undead didn't do. Therefore unholy priests were added.

Currently you can consider unholy those priestly powers that are influenced by the underworld and the unliving. Unholy has always felt a bit ad hoc. Especially when broken empire Ermor got unholy priests. They were made to be able to preach and reanimate.

Unholy is getting a rework in DOM3. Undead priests have 'unholy' powers of reanimation, but the unholy tag is removed. All priests are priests.

[Arryn]

Kristoffer O said:
Unholy is getting a rework in DOM3. Undead priests have 'unholy' powers of reanimation, but the unholy tag is removed. All priests are priests.

This is very good news. Thanks.

[Oversway]

I didn't find the answer to this with a quick search. Do unholy spells only affect undead, or do they affect demons as well? I thought it was only undead but I havn't actually tried it...

[BigDaddy]

They do work, but suck against demons.

Of course they suck against powerful undead too.