obat37 Czechoslovakia

[PN79]

Hi all
I created new oob for Czechoslovakia so you can look at it.
It has also its own picklist.
Regards

[FJ_MD]

What about a list of the changes you did to the OOB so all the guys can give their feedback? Thanks!

[PN79]

List of changes:
-several changes in dates
-variants of T-40/75 (PzIV), Pz V Panther - were used after general repair so start years 1948-1950
-T-34/85 M1951 cz. licence production, crew 4
-T-54AR/AM1/AM2, note: KLADIVO FCS consists of digital computer, wind sensor and upgraded stabilisation - it is better FCS than in T-72M1
-T-72 SOV original T-72 imported from Soviet Union, only 31 tanks, czech's T-72 than have laser RF
-changed ammo for 125mm Gun: Sabot 49 as BM-15, HEAT 50 as BK-14M and Sabot 63 as czech's Synthesia new ammo
-removed Leopard 2A4
-removed AT-1 Snapper it was not used (bought only 1 BRDM and 1 GAZ for testing)
-removed BRDM Swatter I have not found any records of it in CSLA
-removed SP-Mortar MTLB/82
-removed SA-8a only SA-8b used + for all names russian and czech used
-removed BRDM-2 basic recce version wasn't used (only special variants like chemical recce which isn't in this game)
-added M-53/59M with new RF
-added modernised SA-6
-removed modernised SA-8 only SA-6 were modernised
-added SA-5 (S-200) although this is pure air defence of state (PVOS) system nearly all battles in Czech Republic would be covered by SA-5
-revised all helicopters and airplanes
-removed CF-18 Hornet
-added Mosquito FB.VI
-added Spitfire Mk.IX
-revised variants of MiG and Su
-added several command vehicles (BRM-1K, T-54AK, T-55AK, T-72MK)
-completely revised Infantry platoons and companies - that is reason for new picklist so AI can use it

Pavel Novak

[Mobhack]

I'll have a look at this at some point, but will especially check out the command vehicles.

In Sp, command vehicles (if placed e.g. in line tank units) are a really bad idea. They confer no benefits, and have the disadvantage that they tell a human opponent precisely which vehicle to kill first. It is like hanging a big "kick me!" notice on the unit

Cheers
Andy

[PN79]

I added command vehicles from one reason. Sometimes I start campaign and as a core units I buy companies of some historical unit (for example I go to war as a commander of 1st Tank Regiment in 1980) and than (only against computer) I will use these command vehicles. Just because it looks nice and AI will never use it (except BRM-1K).
Another story is BRM-1K which is command vehicle in recon company. This is different vehicle than others in recon unit and if it is targeted at first - than BPzV has greater firepower to response.
regards Pavel Novak

[PN79]

Hi all
there are info about start and end dates - I am sure that these are right and in game not. This is great game and I hope this help to imrove official obat.

T-54AM1 since 1984
T-54AM2 since 1987 without ATGM and old night vision
T-55AM2 since 1987 without ATGM and old night vision
T-72 imported from USSR since 1978 optical rangefinder
T-72 licence built since 1981 with laser rangefinder
2S1 Gvozdika since 1978
9K31 Strela-1M (SA-9b) since 1978 only this variant used
9K35 Strela-10M (SA-13) since 1983 only this variant imported from USSR
2K11 Krug-A (SA-4) since 1974 to 1992
SA-6 since 1975 I don't know exactly which version
BRDM-1 since 1960
BVP-2 since 1983
W-3A Sokol since 1996
MiG-17F since 1955 to 1965 only 2 aircraft of this version
MiG-17PF since 1956 to 1969
MiG-19S/S-105 since 1958
MiG-19P since 1958
MiG-19PM since 1959 to 1972
MiG-21F-13/S-106 since 1962 to 1990
MiG-21M since 1969 to 1994
MiG-21MF since 1971 to 2005
MiG-23BN since 1978 to 1994
MiG-23MF since 1978 to 1994
MiG-23ML since 1981 to 1998
+ intersting findings: postwar Czechoslovakia didn't buy any flame tanks - one was in development after war but it was canceled.
I hope this will help.
Long Live SPMBT

[JaM]

I have one, T-72M4CZ has different front armor than T-72M1,Front hull 42/51(M4CZ),50/55(M1).but T-72M4 is just modernisation of older T-72M1, so values should be at least similar,but not lower, (T-72M1 should have 42/51FH), same thing is in Poland OOB.(Slovak T-72M2 has same values like T-72M1.)

All Czechoslovakian T-72 were build in slovakia (ZTS Martin) so values of base armor must be same for same versions.

[PN79]

Hi JaM
You are right. Czechoslovakia produced 3 variants of T-72. Basic T-72 with 2A46 gun with 39 ammo, laser RF and without sideskirts and smokegrenade launchers. This variant was in service since 1981.
Then was produced T-72M with same armor as T-72 but with 44 ammo for gun, sideskirts and smokegrenade launchers. I don't know when this variant was fielded. Technical documentation come to Czechoslovakia at the end of year 1981.
The last version was T-72M1 with same FCS. Main difference is only in armor (front hull and new turret).

T-72M4 is modernisation of T-72M1 so basic armor should be same.
Regards

[Shadowcougar]

I have a issue in a UC. in 1986 the Czech units are being like Romulains.. they are invisible and the RPG-75 uses the T-72CZ icon and info screen.

Has anyone else had this issue?

[DRG]

Shadowcougar said:
I have a issue in a UC. in 1986 the Czech units are being like Romulains.. they are invisible and the RPG-75 uses the T-72CZ icon and info screen.

Has anyone else had this issue?

Is this using the Czech MOD OOB or the stock OOB's??? They look fine in my game

Don