R'lyeh scales bug?

magnate · #1 July 29th, 2005, 02:44 PM

Sorry all, the search function has fooled me again. I know there's been a thread on this recently (last few weeks). I can even remember that the post I'm looking for was by Alneyan, but I cannot make the search function find it for me.

I've started a game as R'lyeh (without a bless strategy, I might add), and I took Order 2, Cold 3, Growth 1, Magic 3. I went for the top kelp castle thingy (for extra admin) and went for a Kraken.

My capital shows only Cold 3 Magic 3, no Order or Growth. I'm pretty sure this is a bug, since apart from Heat/Cold the scales shouldn't vary in your home province (at least until your Dom is under assault from enemies, which it isn't yet). I'm also pretty sure that Alneyan mentioned something about this in a thread recently - is it to do with a specific castle type, or something?

Grateful for a reminder/repost,

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Alneyan · #2 July 29th, 2005, 02:55 PM

Panther had that problem in a 2vs2 game, but it can target other nations too. In his case, making a few alterations to his Pretender was enough to squash the scales bug dead: he went from Void Lord to Monolith (no longer a secret, as he sent his Pretender to battle).

Other than that, I wouldn't know anything about the scales bug, or how to counter it.

magnate · #3 July 29th, 2005, 03:04 PM

Well, I remade my pretender too, taking the base 0pt castle instead of the 80pt one, and lo, all my scales appeared. Same chassis, almost the same scales (except that I was able to buy Prod 1 Luck 1 with the 80 points).

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magnate · #4 July 29th, 2005, 03:07 PM

Nope, they've gone again (except Cold & Magic). Is this a feature of an underwater race?? First time I've played one.

Alneyan · #5 July 29th, 2005, 03:28 PM

It doesn't necessarily happen no, and it isn't restricted to underwater races according to other players (Quantum Mechani told of a similar occurrence with a land nation... I think it was QM at any rate).

You should try a Monolith and see if it helps; if it does work, it probably means it is indeed Pretender-related, so you could try other hulls then.

atul · #6 July 29th, 2005, 03:38 PM

I've had similar bug appearing with TC using Lady of Fortune and Jotuns using Great Mother, so it isn't restricted to just a few nations. Affecting only positive scales and usually happening at turn 2, IIRC. The scales will go back, eventually...

Endoperez · #7 July 29th, 2005, 03:51 PM

How high dominion did you have in your home province? IIRC positive scales need positive dominion... But this bug has been reported since very long time, so I don't believe it could be just that.

quantum_mechani · #8 July 29th, 2005, 04:14 PM

Yes, seems most common with water races (hit me very hard playing Atlantis in Gotterdamerung), but I think it can strike any nation.

Zooko · #9 July 29th, 2005, 04:41 PM

That was kind of a sad battle. This awesome MONOLITH appeared in the middle of the war! It had reasonable magic power! It had massive hit points (more than 200 as I recall). The defenders hadn't been expecting an attack behind the lines!

Then it cast "Swarm" and "Howl", and then the dragonflies died and the wolves fled, and then the monolith was killed by a Demonic Harlequin with an armor-penetrating laugh.

But I have to admit that it was a worthy attempt. Those wolves *could* have killed all of our commanders if they had tried, but they chickened out when they saw the fire magic.

Alneyan · #10 July 29th, 2005, 04:53 PM

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Endoperez said:
How high dominion did you have in your home province? IIRC positive scales need positive dominion... But this bug has been reported since very long time, so I don't believe it could be just that.

Erh... on turn 2, when the scales bug strike usually, you *have* positive Dominion in your province, no matter what; if you don't have Dominion in your capitol somehow at that stage of the game, you are dead, so scales no longer matter.