Your Dom2 quiz question for today

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Who said anything about a fair fight? It's true that I didn't mention the Arch Devil, and I think GrayZ's right, most of the 18 dead centaurs were the AD, and he might have won the battle if the vans' commander hadn't died.

I also didn't mention the three pans, two shamen, illusionist, hydromancer, medusa and sundry other mages who did quite a good job tying up some of the vans ...

So it wasn't quite as clear a contest as I made out, but I was pretty stunned how much better the E9N9 centaurs were than the multi-blessed vans, even without the mages' help.

Now, GrayZ, go start your own thread about how to deal with SCs - or read old ones, there are tons on here. One tip someone gave me is that google is actually better at searching this board than the in-built Search function ...

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P.S. Griffin - the berserk E9N9 centaurs only have 19 prot, because the +6 from the berserk does not stack arithmetically with their existing 15 protection - you have to use that formula which separates natural prot from armour prot.

[Aeshi]

This might sound dumb.but what's a "van"?

[shovah]

its vanheims sacred unit

[Endoperez]

Vans, like the white centaurs, have high defense and are sacred, but have rather weak attack. Both are very good units when used with high-magic pretender, either playing on their strengths (defense -> high water) or giving them real damaging power (fire 9, or nature 9 for centaurs as they start with berserk)

[shovah]

slightly off topic: if you want extreme sacred get ice giant guys(4got name) with nature 9

[Ironhawk]

archaeolept said:
hey, if we're doing a fair fight, give the vans F9W9

So, suppose for a moment that the Vans really did have a proper F9W9 blessing. What then? Who wins the fight in that instance?

[Ygorl]

48 Centaurs with E9N9 versus 65 Vans with F9W9, the Vans spanked the Centaurs, 48 to 19. The centaurs are tough and heavy hitters, but the vans cut them to pieces nonetheless.

[Zooko]

In the current 2 vs 2 vs 2 vs 2 vs 2 game, Turin has E9N9 Pangaea and I have E9W9 Tien Chi Spring and Autumn. :-)

So what's better -- E9N9 White Centaurs or E9W9 Demons of Heavenly Rivers? Answer so far: it depends on the support troops. In one battle my forces destroyed dozens of White Centaurs by a combination of Demons of Heavenly Rivers, Dispossessed Spirits, and Demons of Heavenly Fires. In another important battle Turin broke out of his besieged capitol and destroyed my major army in part because his Harpies killed all of my death mages, neutralizing the Dispossessed Spirits.

That's something I like about Dominions 2 -- battles are often determined by the interactions of different units and tactics instead of the bigger/stronger army always winning.

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Ygorl said:
48 Centaurs with E9N9 versus 65 Vans with F9W9, the Vans spanked the Centaurs, 48 to 19. The centaurs are tough and heavy hitters, but the vans cut them to pieces nonetheless.

I don't see how the vans won this, since the F9 blessing is useless against the centaurs' 15 prot (19 once berserk). W9 gets the vans double attacks but even so I'd have still expected them to lose.

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