OT: Something worrying

[JAFisher44]

Narf, only the rights of people living in Italy will be effected by this. And only then, in the unlikely event that this guy wins.

El_Phil said:

If someone says something to you which causes you to give them money and it then emerges they were lying you have legal recourse to get that money back. Unless it's a religion in which case it's gone forever, which I do have a problem with.

The problem with this is that religion never really promises anything concrete. For example, everyone was on the edge of their seat waiting for the end in 1999, then again in 2000 when they realised that was the real end of the milenium. But nothing happened. So, does everyone decide that its all bunk? No, of course not. All christians know that the end is coming "someday" but there is no concrete answer as to when. Even in the bible it says that God does not measure time as man does. So, as long as it hasn't happened, it's "coming."

The major problem with this is that it will never emerge that a religion was lying. Even if the end hasnt come by the year 200,000 it will still be "coming" and there will prolly still be christians waiting for it.

[Atrocities]

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[Starhawk]

And to that AT I have to say screw you......I am neither weak minded, gullible OR easily manipulated.

I don't follow easily and I hardly ever give respect without it being earned.

I am NOT a fanatical narrow minded person, I am in fact very open minded and have had friends of numerous faiths and have even had romantic interests for a Wicken girl in my time.....and a buddhist..oh and that jewish girl....and an athiest and a few christian girls.

Basically narrow minded my *** and what you just said is not only insulting but down right stupid and it suprises me that YOU would say it as you are normally quite smart and level headed.

I also have hurt plenty of people for just pissing me off or taking a swing at me without needing to say "God made me" nor have I EVER said God approved of me breaking some idiots nose for saying something nasty about my sister. OR breaking that other idiots nose for taking a swing at me...or etc.

What I'm saying is "more people have been killed for "love" "hate" and jealousy then have EVER been killed in the name of GOd." So you want to be rid of love? because that starts hate and jealousy plenty in human history.

[Suicide Junkie]

Wow, I can't believe you said that Atro. That's gotta be the most trollish thing posted on this board in the last two years.
*Don't do that again*

Starhawk, you gotta calm down a bit there... you're way overreacting.

[JAFisher44]

I think that two topics turn off the brain more than anything else. Religion and Polotics.

A small disclaimer here before I get into it. I am not commenting on whether people are right or wrong, and I am not saying that people are idiots for believing one way or the other.

That being said, the reason that people most people turn off their brains on these two topics is called "faith." Most people who have decided to back a certain political belief and almost all people who have religious beliefs have decided that they are going to believe that "no matter what."

People who believe things can't look to logic to find their answers because, in most cases of belief, logic has no answers for them. They must simply believe, or not believe.

This is especially true of religion, where there can neither be proof of or proof against its veracity in your lifetime. If there were proof that a religion was true it wouldn't be called belief. It would just be fact.

[El_Phil]

Though it is early in the year we have already have a contender for the much uncoveted "Most trollish comment by moderator in any forum" award.

Well done AT. Please don't keep it up.

[Renegade 13]

I have to say that Atrocities is partially correct. Religion has been the root cause of many deaths throughout the millenia. However, it is usually a twisted view of the religion that prompts people to kill, with notable exception of the Crusades and others where wiping out the "infidels" was the goal.

[Thermodyne]

Without venturing into this minefield, I feel compelled to add one thought. In science, we use rules of review, accepted standards and a multitude of other checks and balances to insure the accuracy of achieved results. We do this will all forms of science with the exception of religion. Think about this, and then make your own decision. What ever answer you arrive at is fine, so long as it is an informed decision and your mind remains open to opposing ideas.

[El_Phil]

I didn't say I didn't agree with him, as it happens I'd go along with Renegades answer, just that it's the sort of comment that is only going to provoke people. And not in a productive way, no-ones going to change their opinion or learn anything (except maybe some new explitives or insults)

Whilst there are some forums where epic slanging matches are common, indeed encouraged, I can't say I'm a fan of such places and would prefer if this forum didn't descend to such depths, however briefly.

[AgentZero]

Sigh... Crazy Italians. Personally, I think we'd all be better off if everyone followed the principle tennent of my religion, the Church of Iscool, which is, basically, I'll believe whatever I want, and you believe whatever you want, and as long as neither of us try to change the other mind, it's cool.
I'm an ardant aethiest, but I've friends from all faiths (hell, my sister's Bhudist [sp]), and we all get along just fine because none of us try to change the minds of anyone else, except for the laugh.
Now if the rest of the world could be like us, I think we'd all be a lot happier.