SEV: What am I REALY getting for my money?

[Dejavuproned]

Maybe you can, but I dont see that working quite as well with 2d pictures as with a 3d engine running it where ships and fighters manuver in realtime. I cant see how you can do with with .gifs. Besides whats wrong with some 3d graphics, I think it will help create a better atmosphere where the universe seems more alive.

But thats just me. Sorry for going off like that but even as a part time poster here (though I lurk here alot) im getting sick of the rediculous negativity to this game.

[Atrocities]

SE IV is not SE V and SE V is a completely differant kind of game from SE IV.. SE V will have 3d combat and RT ground combat whereas SE IV does not. SE IV, in my humble yet illinformed opinion, will remain a solid stand alone alternative game from its younger brother for many years too come.

[Dejavuproned]

Oh I completely agree that SEIV will remain a great game and still played for a long time coming just like SEIII has. Despite the fact that new installments into the series are being made the old ones never die out, thats one of the great things about SE as a whole.

[Phoenix-D]

Dejavuproned said:
Maybe you can, but I dont see that working quite as well with 2d pictures as with a 3d engine running it where ships and fighters manuver in realtime. I cant see how you can do with with .gifs.

..does the phrase "Warcraft 2" or perhaps "Command and Conquer" ring a bell? Both 2d. 2d has its advantages and disadvantages, but to say it can't do that is just silly.

[Dejavuproned]

Do those use the kind of simple .gifs that SEIV uses? If your gonna make an engine that runs like those games then you might as well just go the next step and make it 3D, the way I understand it is the ones compalining about SEV's 3dism want a game thats just basically SEIV but with a few more features. THAT was the point I was trying to make. And I also said I cant see it working as well, which it wouldent, 2D has its limitations.

[Renegade 13]

I think the movement to 3D will be an overall good move, even if only to prevent things like one-sided warp point battles from occurring.

[Black_Knyght]

Atrocities said:
SE IV is not SE V and SE V is a completely differant kind of game from SE IV.. SE V will have 3d combat and RT ground combat whereas SE IV does not. SE IV, in my humble yet illinformed opinion, will remain a solid stand alone alternative game from its younger brother for many years too come.

BINGO !!!


I happen to like the way SE-IV visually works now !!!

I am more interested in the 4x aspect of it than the REAL-TIME or 3D (ooooooh, aaaaaah, how flashy...) combat, the new interfaces, the new this, the new, the new that-other-thingy.

Improvements on the operational aspects, such as research, AI's, treaties, and the like are admittedly great, but if what I really wanted was a realtime 3d game, there are certainly other, better titles out there dedicated to exactly that, and little else.

[Fyron]

A real time combat engine (distinct from a RTS engine) is, in fact, a vast improvement to the 4X aspects. eXterminate is the 4th X, afterall. The combat engine is the most critical aspect of this X. If it sucks, the whole suffers. The primitive combat mechanics in SEIV (not even a basic initiative system!) have always been a failing point... Just compare to something like MOO2 and you shall see. Of course, at least they are no frickin Civ!

[Ringold]

Atrocities said:
Well SE IV Deluxe is already making its rounds on the BT sites so I would suspect that SE V will be joining it soon enough. Its not until one of your games is on the network that you begin to see the importance of copy right protection and anti piracy technology. Not that any one here has anything to do with pirated software. If I cannot buy it, I do without until I can get it cheap or I can aford it.

I joined, after lurking at SE sites for years, just to try to defend P2P as a not-entirely-evil way of trying some things before you buy it. I purchased this past weekend SE4 (after years of, ahem, trying it) as part of Steams SciFi pack.. Was thrilled to be able to buy it, 'cause I'd never, ever, seen SE4 on shelves. Actually seen 'Stars!' on shelves (anybody know 'Stars!'? All 4X fans are born somewhere..). I was going to make it a bright example, but after trying to phrase it in a way that really sounded noble for half an hour, couldn't do it.

You're right, piracy takes money off the dinner table of the guy who gives us this great series.. and other indy developers just like him. P2P helps spread the game to those that otherwise never would've heard of it, but the net harm is probably larger than the net benefit. The worst part is, there's no counter to it at all; Even Starforce, which was so powerful it did as much harm to customers as it did pirates, has fallen.

My only hope is that when SEV hits the BT sites a ton of the people that end up DLing it end up making their way to a store or Steam (All games should be offered on Steam -- hardcopys seem so 20th century ) and pay for it.. sort of like I did.. except with the whole several-year delay. Even though I paid for it, I still feel ashamed!

Regarding the original issue though.. I'm with dejavu. But I think its almost the same as with people who don't see why to upgrade to Vista upon release. "It's the same!" Sure its the same, the same as 95 was 3.1, 98 was 95, 2000 was 98, and XP was 2000.. if you want to look at it in a backward fashion, sure. But Vista is rebuilt from the ground up, more efficient network stack, coded with the age of virus's and malware in mind, new driver model for stability and performance, and even in beta builds has been benchmarked to be more responsive and less of a CPU hog. Likewise, SEV is all the same sort of things; rebuilt, bigger and better than ever before in all ways. I think if you really like the game then die-hard fans dont even need to explain it. If one is more of a fairweather or part-time fan, well then, $50 suddenly seems like a lot.

I for one will be eating up Steam's bandwidth on Sept 12th, though.

Last second idea: You know, SiN Episodes found a ton of pirates out by updating through Steam exclusively. If Malfador does the same thing then patches would be more of a pain to distribute. We legitimate customers wouldn't even know a patch occured because it'd happen automagically next time we ran Steam. Pirates on the other hand would flood the message boards revealing themselves all complaining about the bug that was just patched, as happened with SiN. Don't know if thats feasible, random idea though. They want new features and patches, then pay up!

[Fyron]

Eww Steam. No thanks!